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kawashima
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PostPosted: 00:38 - 02 Feb 2013    Post subject: honda 400 twin for JP market Reply with quote

Smaller version of new CB500 will come for JP market.
https://en.responsejp.com/article/2013/01/29/189833.html

And honda will import engine parts from Thailand and assembly this new 400cc engine in Japan. In order to keep production in domestic factory.

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PostPosted: 11:21 - 02 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Kawashima-san, that's quite interesting. Honda seem to be committed to torque over revs for the commuter market now.

I wonder if we'll see that engine in the UK / EU, since the CB500 / NC700 are already perfectly positioned to exploit our new A2 license class. Thinking
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 02 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Thanks, Kawashima-san, that's quite interesting. They seem to be committed to torque over revs for the commuter market.

I wonder if we'll see that engine in the UK / EU, since the CB500 / NC700 are already perfectly positioned to exploit our new A2 license class. Thinking


Give it four years when they all start failing the Japanese MOT then they'll be coming over here in container-loads and being flogged on ebay. Then we'll get loads of posts in the workshop section asking where people can get consumables for them.
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PostPosted: 06:31 - 03 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Thanks, Kawashima-san, that's quite interesting. They seem to be committed to torque over revs for the commuter market.

I wonder if we'll see that engine in the UK / EU, since the CB500 / NC700 are already perfectly positioned to exploit our new A2 license class. Thinking


Give it four years when they all start failing the Japanese MOT then they'll be coming over here in container-loads and being flogged on ebay. Then we'll get loads of posts in the workshop section asking where people can get consumables for them.

I take it the Japanese MOT equivalent is a bit strict then? Would explain all the cheap Toyota Lucida imports!
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PostPosted: 10:35 - 03 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MoreBeer wrote:

I take it the Japanese MOT equivalent is a bit strict then? Would explain all the cheap Toyota Lucida imports!



They are extremely strict, esspecially with emissions, hence why every couple of years you essentially have to buy a new car if you live there.
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 03 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MoreBeer wrote:

I take it the Japanese MOT equivalent is a bit strict then?


My understanding is that they are expected to comply with the emissions limits for a new vehicle.

Politically I suppose it's a good way to boost the economy because Japanese people tend to drive Japanese vehicles. Ensuring your driving population has to buy a new vehicle every 4 years keeps a steady turnover at the factories.

A bit like the UK government did with the scrappage scheme a few years back but without having to throw billions in public money at the problem.

I'm sure kawashima can fill us in on the whole story though.
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 03 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's my understanding. It also means that used vehicles are worth very little, thus the incentive to export them.

Sounds like broken window economics to me.
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 03 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bike makers can't sell their bikes when they don't pass the strict regulation but that means honda can't sell NSR250 anymore but owners can ride their NSR250 cause it passed the regulation when it was made.

https://www.mlit.go.jp/common/000205788.pdf
(sorry Japanese but it became stricter from left to right)

Before 2006 regulation, 2T and 4T were separately regulated but since 2006 regulation they weren't anymore, and 2T couldn't be sold anymore(as new bike).

This 2006 regulation became stricter than EURO3, and many models dropped from their lineups, and most bikes got Fuel Injection since then.
Especially under 250cc class became powerless and expensive.
Now even C50 has Fuel Injection.

So we don't have to buy new bike every few years. We can ride old bikes and sell them. Bike makers can't sell them anymore.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 03 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
A bit like the UK government did with the scrappage scheme a few years back but without having to throw billions in public money at the problem.


The American version was a huge success too :-

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A study published after the program by researchers at the University of Delaware concluded that for each vehicle trade, the program had a net cost of approximately $2,000, with total costs outweighing all benefits by $1.4 billion.[15][16] Another study by researchers at the University of Michigan found that the program improved the average fuel economy of all vehicles purchased by 0.6 mpg in July 2009 and by 0.7 mpg in August 2009.[17]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_Allowance_Rebate_System
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