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BikerDan87
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: What super sports 1000cc for under £4000 should I get? Reply with quote

As above says I'm looking for a 1ltr bike, been riding 600's for years now and want to see how I fair on something with more pull, I tend to beat a lot of 1000cc bike riders in blast around so I'm in two minds whether its worth getting one. But I'm hoping its more the riders as the old saying goes.

So far my eye is on 2002-2003 Yamaha R1 I've seen a few for around £3200 with 25-35k on the clocks in good condition. I've not looked at 1000cc bikes for a while (had a brief nose a few years ago) that price sounds too good to be true to me though, should I be weary?

Also any of recommendations? Ideally I wanna stock around 3-3.5k mark though!

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PostPosted: 14:03 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

A GSXR will be an easier transition from a 600, they're more forgiving than an R1 or a ZX10R, easier to live with, designed for the road, unlike the ninja which whilst fun, feels more like a full on race bike made road legal.
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the 02-03 R1's, last of the long stroke 150bhp versions, and a very smooth torquey roomy bike.

But i think a 2004 ZX10R would be a smart buy, and it will be a classic one day like the 98 R1 etc.

There's probably more choice of GSXR1000's out there for your money than any other litre bike though.
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 14:16 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say whatever bike you like, the power is not that important Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know of an 08 r1 going for around 4k pm if interested.
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd add that I think you're kidding yourself if you think that flat out you will be any faster on a 1000cc bike than a modern supersports 600 on the typical British road.

No berating you for wanting one, I'd like an older blade next, just saying that realistically it probably wont be as fun, it'll just be easier to go the same speed.
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

See if you can try several out.
I'm average height chap (5'10")but with short legs and a long back and wide shoulders. I found the R1 and the R6 were incredibly cramped and played havoc with my wrists. The zx9r was better, my build is far better suited to older machines that tend to be be a bit on the heavier side.
Hence my current grunts - zzr1100 and cbr900rr.
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

A litre bike is barely any quicker up to 120mph maybe, at least compared to a well ridden 600.
But it does make it easier to go the same speed - you can be a gear or two out and still be at a 600 pace; while on the 600 to keep the same pace you have to be in exactly the right gear, changes right etc.

I bought a 06 GSXR1000 as a 'lazy commuter'; certainly not for fun.

If you keep a good eye out - should be able to find one of those in budget.
They offer a reasonable riding position along with shed load of low down and midrange go - to better it you'll have to get a Busa or one of the ugly fireblades.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
I'd add that I think you're kidding yourself if you think that flat out you will be any faster on a 1000cc bike than a modern supersports 600 on the typical British road.

No berating you for wanting one, I'd like an older blade next, just saying that realistically it probably wont be as fun, it'll just be easier to go the same speed.


The difference would be, that it'd make him lazy rider, put in 6th and sometimes 5th gear and you don't have to touch the gearbox all day long.

When I have a ride on CBR900RR, if my mate let me, I shift gears up and down like crazy and it's no differrent between this and keeping there 6th Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i traded up from a 2001 R6 to a 2006 R1.
the R1 is lot quicker than the R6...is the same size but it weighs some 7kg more and some 2cm bigger...but the biggest difference is the Torque, this makes the machine much more amenable in every application... @ 177cm i find the bike very comfortable but heavy traffic is hard on the wrists.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
A litre bike is barely any quicker up to 120mph maybe, at least compared to a well ridden 600.
But it does make it easier to go the same speed - you can be a gear or two out and still be at a 600 pace; while on the 600 to keep the same pace you have to be in exactly the right gear, changes right etc.

I bought a 06 GSXR1000 as a 'lazy commuter'; certainly not for fun.

Depends how they're ridden, but I get bored riding with 600's. My bike at 40% throttle produces more power at the rear wheel than a R6 at 100%.
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

And that's the thing - even on an R6 you can only use 100% throttle in-gear for seconds at a time once rolling before you're going silly-fast.

On a 600 you've still certainly got to be carefully getting on the throttle coming out of corners.

I prefer a bike I can make a reasonable use of for a reasonable bit of the time for fun.

However, I appreciate for some poeple, easy speed is what they're after.

To be fair, I reckon my ideal power range for fun is 30-70hp.
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
A litre bike is barely any quicker up to 120mph maybe, at least compared to a well ridden 600.
But it does make it easier to go the same speed - you can be a gear or two out and still be at a 600 pace; while on the 600 to keep the same pace you have to be in exactly the right gear, changes right etc.

I bought a 06 GSXR1000 as a 'lazy commuter'; certainly not for fun.
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Depends how they're ridden, but I get bored riding with 600's. My bike at 40% throttle produces more power at the rear wheel than a R6 at 100%.


And you don't have all that fiddling round with the clutch when playing traffic light Grand Prix, open throttle and change up into second when you've hit 65+ (NSL permitting of course Wink ) Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

zx10r-Alan wrote:

Depends how they're ridden, but I get bored riding with 600's. My bike at 40% throttle produces more power at the rear wheel than a R6 at 100%.


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PostPosted: 19:59 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Re: What super sports 1000cc for under £4000 should I get? Reply with quote

BikerDan87 wrote:
As above says I'm looking for a 1ltr bike, been riding 600's for years now and want to see how I fair on something with more pull, I tend to beat a lot of 1000cc bike riders in blast around so I'm in two minds whether its worth getting one. But I'm hoping its more the riders as the old saying goes.

So far my eye is on 2002-2003 Yamaha R1 I've seen a few for around £3200 with 25-35k on the clocks in good condition. I've not looked at 1000cc bikes for a while (had a brief nose a few years ago) that price sounds too good to be true to me though, should I be weary?

Also any of recommendations? Ideally I wanna stock around 3-3.5k mark though!

Thanks in advance


The price seems about right although personally I'd steer clear or such high mileage (for a used, expensive bike... I'd have no qualms about keeping a bike until it got more mileage than that... but 2nd hand? Especially the earlier R1's which had gearbox issues). I'm looking at 04-05 CBR1000RR's for the sub £4k bracket.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:

And you don't have all that fiddling round with the clutch when playing traffic light Grand Prix, open throttle and change up into second when you've hit 65+ (NSL permitting of course Wink ) Twisted Evil

Still need to be a bit precise to go from an 'ok' to a very good start.
Also have to be more careful with the throttle than on a 600.

zx10r-Alan:
Done any trackdays?
I've generally not found myself out classed by rider's of a similar skill level riding a 1000 when I'm on a 600.
I've also found that it gets irksome doing about the same laptimes as riders on modern litre bikes when I'm on a 64hp SV at (old) Snetterton Smile.
See the prior comments about getting on the power early (and in this case, brakes later, too.)
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There aren't many tracks which suit a litre bike, mine will do over 100mph in 1st gear. Someone on an old trackbike will ride faster and harder that someone riding their pride & joy, and that's where opinions are pointless unless they are from likeminded people.

Forums are crap for opinions, because everyone is different. Some think 130mph is really fast, whilst others will still be in 3rd gear with the front wheel in the air. Some want to ride around with mates on a variety of bikes, cruisers, sports etc, whilst others want to race the weekend TT.
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

zx10r-Alan wrote:
There aren't many tracks which suit a litre bike, mine will do over 100mph in 1st gear. Someone on an old trackbike will ride faster and harder that someone riding their pride & joy, and that's where opinions are pointless unless they are from likeminded people.



Idea of being on track is not to do 180mph, its to lap the track as quick as possible...


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PostPosted: 21:10 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

evoboy wrote:
zx10r-Alan wrote:
There aren't many tracks which suit a litre bike, mine will do over 100mph in 1st gear. Someone on an old trackbike will ride faster and harder that someone riding their pride & joy, and that's where opinions are pointless unless they are from likeminded people.



Idea of being on track is not to do 180mph, its to lap the track as quick as possible...


Straight line hero....

Like I said, everyone is different. I know people who have lovely sports bikes, and all they do is try and get their knee down. Others do epic rides, touring the country. I ride with my gf and our mates, and like being out on our bikes doing our own thing. I like the speed, no interest in dragging my knee, but also hate straight roads. In fact my favourite roads are around Melton Mowbray, where I ride faster on my 10, but could corner faster on my zx7r, because I didn't have much to lose if I dropped that, I'm more cautious on the 10 as I waited years to own one, and would hate for it to slide down the road.
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

zx10r-Alan wrote:
There aren't many tracks which suit a litre bike, mine will do over 100mph in 1st gear. Someone on an old trackbike will ride faster and harder that someone riding their pride & joy, and that's where opinions are pointless unless they are from likeminded people.

Forums are crap for opinions, because everyone is different. Some think 130mph is really fast, whilst others will still be in 3rd gear with the front wheel in the air. Some want to ride around with mates on a variety of bikes, cruisers, sports etc, whilst others want to race the weekend TT.

To be fair your definition of 'pride and joy' is the definition most people use - expensive toy that's to be admired for it's existence.
For others they are both proud to own a bike they are happy to ride to their limits, but also get a lot of joy from that.

I've not ridden any tracks that are NOT suitable for a litre bike.
Sure, at Lydden you won't be changing gear much on standard gearing, but you can still have a decent time of it.
My GSXR1000 would also show 103 in first - but still was fine around various tracks.

If you don't think tracks where you can hit 150-155mph on a 600 are suitable for a litre bike, I'd be interested to see how your road riding which you feel needs a litre bike goes Razz.

I'd certainly not be pushing it too much on a trackday on my race bike - I'd leave that for a race practice.
Crashed loads of times in race practices from pushing too hard (and racing) - only crashed twice out of a load of trackdays and both times were from braking too hard on too cold tyres in not great conditions.
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I though 600cc were called super sports and 1000cc where called super bikes?
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes; they are. Hadn't noticed that.
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PostPosted: 00:17 - 17 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

zx10r-Alan wrote:

Depends how they're ridden, but I get bored riding with 600's. My bike at 40% throttle produces more power at the rear wheel than a R6 at 100%.


Why do you get bored?

Cos they cant do 180mph on the road? If i rode a 'Busa, that was quite capable of doing that speed, im sure you would still get bored cos i rarely go above 100mph for long periods on straight roads....

A 600 would have no problem keeping up with your model zx10 on the road or track. Even my old TRX with some 70 odd bhp had no problem monstering bigger bikes in the twisties.

Sorry, but it just sounds like an ego trip to me. My bike is so fast etc and i see it all too often.

Its not the bike, its the rider.

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PostPosted: 07:03 - 17 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could be the people I've been out with, but the 600s seem more hesitant when it comes to picking off cars, so everyone ends up sitting behind cars or caravans until there is a long straight.

My 750 was also fast enough through the twisty bits, but I couldn't keep up on the straights, depending who I rode with, and over many miles, it was me people were hanging back for. That's not the case now, however I did buy my bike for how it looks.

The fact that you stay below 100 on the road doesn't mean that everyone only needs a 600, I could keep up with some 600's on my er-5. It's down to how & where each person rides.

Ego trip, Hell yeah. My bike gives me such a buzz, is so fast and powerful, I love it.
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