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Wonko The Sane
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: jobless rant Reply with quote

Just need to get this off my chest somewhere that I don't break the news to anyone we're not telling just yet.

I've been unemployed now since August when we moved up here for my wife's job. The job centre won't let me claim benefit as "you've not contributed enough but we might be able to pay your national insurance" Except no one knows if they can pay the latter or not, so I can't be bothered to afford to go to the job centre three job centres away from my closest one on the off-chance.

I have been looking for work, but as a graphic designer who specialises in print, things aren't great at the moment. I generally get turned down in favour of people who have more experience (which I can understand) Having an HND and a Degree studied back to back (I dropped out of a degree but had enough credits to be awarded the HND, switching to my degree)

There are only two things I really enjoy doing that I have any experience for, Graphic Design, and working with children (cue peado-bear)

I've been volunteering a couple of days a week in a primary school for two reasons - gives me a reason to get out on the bike instead of it just sitting there, but mainly because I enjoy it, I had been thinking of becoming a teacher, but I don't have the money to do it and now, as my wife is 5-6 weeks pregnant (the thing we're not announcing to family just yet) I don't have the time as the baby will arrive just as I start the teaching course which, I am told by many people more organised by myself, absorbs you entirely from waking until sleeping for the entire year.

I've built up enough experience to be able to look at teaching assistant jobs, but have lost out to a few of these due to lack of experience.

The school I have been volunteering at asked me if I minded covering for a TA that's been ill this week in reception, knowing it was an age group I'm not familiar with and I really enjoyed it. There's even a TA job they're interviewing for soon, but due to no formal qualification (required due to it being reception / nursery) I wouldn't get interviewed.

Thankfully things aren't desperate as my wife's job pays ok and costs of living are thankfully low. We have to occasionally put off buying things for a month or so but don't have to go without food or anything drastic,

Just getting a bit fed up of not having got anywhere job-wise, anywhere such as high st shops (i have retail experience) just say I'm overqualified (again, I can understand they don't want to train someone up for them to turn round and say "got a job I want more, bye" Also getting a bit fed up / worried by the fact that I'm 29, got no pension or anything sorted and won't be getting a state pension at this rate as I won't have paid enough to be entitled to one.

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PostPosted: 20:29 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

BUCF- the Bike Unemployment Chat Forum!

There are jobs in bars, restaurants, supermarkets ALWAYS. Sure, maybe you won't get to spend the day wanking over an iPad, but it is WORK and SELF RESPECT.

Have been long term unemployed myself, with a Degree and experience, but that didn't stop me looking for a job. It was fairly obvious at the time that going for something in my respective industry, during a period of lay-offs, was silly, so went for entry level in hospitality. Worked my way up through three other jobs, now a bar manager. Not what I planned when i wasted 4 years at Uni, but **newsflash**
REALITY DOESN'T CARE WHAT YOU HAD PLANNED

Stop being lazy; your other half will lose patience and it will be a massive strain on your relationship. Get a job, a wage, some security and THEN you can go back to the "what I'd really love to do with my life is..." fantasies.

That's your portion of tough love, no go make us all proud, Tiger.

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PostPosted: 20:32 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a job you don't want to do then....

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PostPosted: 20:44 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There are jobs in bars, restaurants, supermarkets ALWAYS.


applied, declined, applied, declined, applied, declined.

I have applied for every single shop in this small town and the next one, I've figured out how far I can commute on minimum wage before I start making a loss and applied.

I'm even on first name terms with some of the shop managers I've been in that often!

I've been refused by Love Film, who are actively seeking people to sell Love Film memberships in the shopping centre!

Virgin Media turned me down for phones due to being overqualified and not having call centre experience.

I either hear that they're not taking anyone on, they won't take anyone with a degree, I'm overqualified or have no experience relevant to the job.

I am actively looking, phoning and chasing, everything people tell me to do and will happily take anything that pays (yes, something I want to do would be preferable)

I don't think I could be classed as lazy in this situation.
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's funny how English people always say "there are no jobs", yet my polish and portugese friends say "it's very easy to find jobs in uk".
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:
It's funny how English people always say "there are no jobs", yet my polish and portugese friends say "it's very easy to find jobs in uk".


If they work north of Manchester, ask them where and I'll be there on monday.
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMPROVISE, ADAPT, OVERCOME

If your qualifications are holding you back, try omitting them from your CV. I tailor my CV for every single application; it's worth ten minutes of word processing for a wage, no?

Only adding things to your CV is lying; omitting details that may harm your chances is just creative enhancement. I have never lasted longer in a job than two and a half years, and having been in work since 1995 that's a lot of jobs. I don't put a full job history on my CV, just back a sensible time-frame. PLAN your moves and your chances increase dramatically.

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PostPosted: 21:01 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:
It's funny how English people always say "there are no jobs", yet my polish and portugese friends say "it's very easy to find jobs in uk".


Used to work in a warehouse, there were plenty of english folk applying on the agencies they used (stop taking in house contracts not long after I started in 2005) I even had family and friends go to the agencies to be told that the company didn't have anything and they would go on a waiting list for when something comes up, funny how though, we constantly had influxes of asian/eastern european additions and 1 english bloke would turn up every 6 months.

Don't know if your post was aimed at 'those' English people or the blatant corrupt employment agencies but the latter is very much the reality.
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yer i never understood the "over qualified" statement as surely after it happened the once you would omit the part which makes you over qualified ?

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PostPosted: 21:21 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Iain_ wrote:
I got a reply with an application form, and a call asking for a few details & saying they'd bell me with an interview date by sending CV's & cover letters to garages.

Maybe write a cover letter stating you wish to work in said school as you have aspirations of becoming a teacher. Note the work experience on CV & send to every single primary, nursery & secondary school, all the colleges etc within a 15mile radius.

They might have a position thats not advertised, they might be impressed & make a position to suit. You dont know till you've tried Thumbs Up

Meantime - pizza delivery. Its easy money, all your fuels paid & some stores will have shop owned mopeds. You also usually start within a week of asking. Dominoes pay £6.19 per hour, 80p-£1.65 per delivery, and you average a £2 tip for each drop.


With schools they all have to advertise any position on the local authority's website, There will be positions coming up for starting in september soon, but right now there isn't much on there. I am continuing to volunteer in the school in order to build up experience to enhance my chances.

nearest Pizza delivery place don't even deliver as far as my door! It's about 10 mins to get to them (I don't mind that) My worry is I have no local knowledge of the area they serve - although I'm pretty handy with an A-Z and a good sense of direction.

As I kind of said earlier, my CV is on file with pretty much every design agency and print shop in a 40 mile radius (which includes Manchester, Huddersfield, Hallifax and a few other large towns) in the hope that they do similar to how you've got on with garages (congrats on getting somewhere there)

it's a lovely little town I live in, except for the fact the only chain stores we have are a very small Morrison's (fully staffed) a Tesco Local (fully staffed with security guard and self checkout machines) and a small Aldi (again, fully staffed) The rest of the shops are all small boutiques run by just one or two people, normally bloke and his mrs or vice versa. Half the shops are charity shops.

Most people round here, if they want a shopping trip, head to Manchester.


Tis grim ooop north lad etc


With the over qualified thing, If I don't put my degree on then I have to somehow account for 7 years of my life where i have no employment history or education happening, I graduated in 2009 so it's recent enough to still get asked.

I certainly used to ask when I was assistant manager of a shop and we were looking to take on.
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aldi fully staffed ? that would be a maximum of 2 then as thats all i ever have seen in there at one time.. Shocked
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My girlfriend was offered a job today two months after being made redundant after eight years working for a major financial institution. I agree that it's tough out there, she had sent literally 100's of applications in the relatively short space of time, and has acquired a further professional qualification. She's also had to settle for a role paying a few K less than her last wage and in a field that she wasn't aiming for (though an interesting one nonethless.)

Annoyingly, for some on here she's an EU immigrant however got the job based on her merits; the pay would have been the same for an English national.

Keep plugging away, don't make excuses and things will come right Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black Sheep wrote:


nearest Pizza delivery place don't even deliver as far as my door! It's about 10 mins to get to them (I don't mind that) My worry is I have no local knowledge of the area they serve - although I'm pretty handy with an A-Z and a good sense of direction.


Sat Nav?

Could ask around the local curry houses/chinese take outs too, maybe work a little cash in hand.

What about supermarket delivery driving?
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Will_ wrote:
Black Sheep wrote:


nearest Pizza delivery place don't even deliver as far as my door! It's about 10 mins to get to them (I don't mind that) My worry is I have no local knowledge of the area they serve - although I'm pretty handy with an A-Z and a good sense of direction.


Sat Nav?

Could ask around the local curry houses/chinese take outs too, maybe work a little cash in hand.

What about supermarket delivery driving?


the little local independent curry places are sorted for drivers, it's a small enough town to just need one! The chinese don't do delivery.

I know it seems like I'm making excuses, but I think only Tesco deliver to this area as I can't find an ASDA or Sainsburys anywhere near! I do have a full uk driving license so worth looking into - cheers.

Monday is going to be spent visiting every shop with my business cards (again) to try and pick up a bit of freelance work.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the little local independent curry places are sorted for drivers, it's a small enough town to just need one! The chinese don't do delivery.

I know it seems like I'm making excuses, but I think only Tesco deliver to this area as I can't find an ASDA or Sainsburys anywhere near! I do have a full uk driving license so worth looking into - cheers.

Monday is going to be spent visiting every shop with my business cards (again) to try and pick up a bit of freelance work.


https://www.freelancer.co.uk

Check freelancing websites and do some advertising, make a website - an online C.V - your a designer so get putting them qualifications to use.
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it worth asking the school you are with for some extra days, and ask if there is a way they could help you with the experience?

Maybe look at the teaching course once you've had your child. Would your/wifes family help your wife/yourself with looking after them?
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you really want this, you will have make sacrifices. I did a 3 year teaching degree as a single parent starting when my daughter was 2 years old. I couldn't get a grant so supported myself by teaching English as a Foreign Language at evening classes. This meant dropping babe at nursery at 8am, going to college or teaching practice all day, collecting babe at 5.30pm, dropping her at my sister's, teaching until 10pm, collecting babe, putting her to bed and then doing homework, marking and studying until about 3 in the morning. There was less help for single parents then and I lived on diddly squat. But I wanted it, so I went for it.

You may not have the time / money / space to do a full teaching qualification, but you could do either Level 2 Award in Support Work in Schools or Level 3 Award in Supporting Teaching and Learning in Schools, both of which would put you in a much better position to become a Teaching Assistant. Then, once things were more settled at home, you could go on to do your teaching qualification.

Have you considered working freelance as a graphic designer? There is help and advice available for people wanting to be self-employed and you could fit it around your studies.

It's not easy. I get pissed off if people say how lucky I am to have a good job now. It's funny how the harder I tried, the less I gave up and the more times I picked myself up off the floor, the luckier I got...
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Will_ wrote:
Black Sheep wrote:


the little local independent curry places are sorted for drivers, it's a small enough town to just need one! The chinese don't do delivery.

I know it seems like I'm making excuses, but I think only Tesco deliver to this area as I can't find an ASDA or Sainsburys anywhere near! I do have a full uk driving license so worth looking into - cheers.

Monday is going to be spent visiting every shop with my business cards (again) to try and pick up a bit of freelance work.


https://www.freelancer.co.uk

Check freelancing websites and do some advertising, make a website - an online C.V - your a designer so get putting them qualifications to use.


This.

I've been lucky, I've already gotten several clients in my field (and others) and I haven't even finished University.

Make yourself an online presence, attend expos etc, get out, get contacts.
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: Re: jobless rant Reply with quote

Black Sheep wrote:

I've been unemployed now since August when we moved up here for my wife's job. The job centre won't let me claim benefit as "you've not contributed enough but we might be able to pay your national insurance"


This also doesn't sound right. It's been a few years since i last had to sign on, but I think you can still get something like £40/week irrespective of contributions paid but you do need to push them a bit and back up what you're saying with research because some people at the job centre are great and others are mouth breathing fucktards.

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PostPosted: 23:43 - 15 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black Sheep wrote:

the little local independent curry places are sorted for drivers, it's a small enough town to just need one! The chinese don't do delivery.

I know it seems like I'm making excuses, but I think only Tesco deliver to this area as I can't find an ASDA or Sainsburys anywhere near! I do have a full uk driving license so worth looking into - cheers.

Monday is going to be spent visiting every shop with my business cards (again) to try and pick up a bit of freelance work.


Didn't see this post before.

I'm a delivery driver for Tesco, as much as I hate the job (been at Tesco for nearly 6 years), its not a bad job. I'm on just over £9 a hour, new starters are on £7.14 I believe (goes up after 6 months or a year, I get time and a half for Sundays, so works out at over £9 a hour, would be around £8.64 otherwise).

If you do get a interview/assessment drive with Tesco/any feel free to PM me if you have any questions!
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imonster wrote:


Annoyingly, for some on here she's an EU immigrant however got the job based on her merits; the pay would have been the same for an English national.



For some reason, people only hate people that are considered from poorer countries. I've worked in catering with French, Germans, Swiss, Spanish people, and everyone gets along fine. As soon as there's a Polak or Slovak people get all up in arms about it.

My own personal experience is that the Polish and Slovaks are generally rude and unwilling to integrate, as they see it as a chore to be here, whereas the others I mentioned above just see it as being in an 'equal' country, speak good English and accept the way of life here (you hear much less "In my country"). The French have their dislike of the Iranians and Afghans, the Germans have their Turkish 'problem'.

I'm not a computer person, but it seems to me there's too many people who are in there 20s or early 30s who are computer workers who do graphic design/website modelling etc. It seems like a lot of stupid speak and art that doesn't make sense to me. In my trade, if you are good, you can always find work. If you aren't, you don't. Same applies across a lot of professions for a lot of things.

Also, washing up jobs are always going everywhere. For example, at my place we have two, each work 42 hours over 5 days @ £6.55 p/h, plus tip share of ~£2 p/h, free food on shift. It's not amazing, but it's 16k a year, and it's a physical job that keeps you fit as well.
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PostPosted: 00:45 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally the problem with a lot of people who take IT/Arts/Design courses get stuck because the employment market is saturated, the only ones that make it are those who run their own business or self employed freelancing which means you need a good business head -creative people generally don't.

Business courses should go alongside creative courses.
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PostPosted: 00:48 - 16 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pyro. wrote:

I'm not a computer person, but it seems to me there's too many people who are in there 20s or early 30s who are computer workers who do graphic design/website modelling etc. It seems like a lot of stupid speak and art that doesn't make sense to me. In my trade, if you are good, you can always find work. If you aren't, you don't. Same applies across a lot of professions for a lot of things.


While that is the case, if you are good, once you get your name out there then the work will come.

However, given my time to produce a business card can be about 2 hours, longer if I have to design the logo also, a couple of changes to the design (requested by the customer) makes it the best part of, if not an entire day sometimes.
Then add cost of printing.

go to vistaprint, pick a picture, drop the text on £10 and done.


There are 'companies' who will do your website for £10 - the people producing it are based in India or similar and do deliver a website which, if you pay enough attention during the initial development stage looks good.

However, I've seen the HTML and CSS code of these websites and it is absolutely shocking - worse than one of paddy's MOT bodges, it doesn't meet current standards, it doesn't meet old standards - what's the issue you might ask?

web standards and the 'done' methods of writing HTML or CSS etc are taken into account when software companies develop a new version of a browser, these cheap websites can, overnight, become useless as they no longer display properly when a user and potential customer updates their browser.

but many people just look at the price tag and then think "yep, looks ok"
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