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bridgedino
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 23 Feb 2013    Post subject: Tutoro Chain Oiler, on off tap suggestions please Reply with quote

I have a Tutoro chain oiler, nice simple practical bit of kit except for one thing. I can't, for the life of me get the drip rate set correctly.

The difference between having it set at zero drips per minute and the recommended 1 drip per minute is so small that its almost impossible to get it right, never mind wearing gloves or in the dark.

I would like to set the drip rate on the system and then have some sort of on off switch set into the length of tubing so I no longer have to guess at it. Just simply turn it on and off having already set the drip rate.

So I'm wondering if there is an on off switch suitable for liquids that would sit nicely within a length of plastic tube?

Sorry for yakking on so much to ask a simple question

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katana
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 23 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go look in an aquarium shop for something like the tap in this set up
https://www.theaquariumsolution.com/files/u8/pump%20and%20fittings.jpg
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 23 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perfect. Thanks
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 23 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21fdP6AV%2BSL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

I gave up on mine, it's a daft, fiddly system, and I was forever forgetting to turn it off. Fuck you very kindly for recommending it, RiDE.

The thing is, we don't really need a constant drip feed. Considering how fast the sprocket is turning, it's just about dumping a bit of oil on it once per trip, it'll get spread out just fine.

If I go for another cheap oiler, it'll be a Loobman, which seems like a more sensible system.
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 23 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fiddly yes.

Less fiddly than lubing the chain with no centre stand? Not for me. The only problem I was finding was setting and keeping the drip rate. I will endeavour to try a simple inline tap before giving up
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 23 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

katana wrote:
Go look in an aquarium shop for something like the tap in this set up
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[img]http://www.theaquariumsolution.com/files/u8/pump%20and%20fittings.jpg[/img]

What part is that specifically? The filename says pump and fittings.

I tried a few things - a windscreen washer pump I found didn't entirely cut the flow off.

What I got to work best was an electronic fuel cut off valve - cost me £15 on ebay new, but hard to find at that price at the time - most were around £50.

Connected it up to a maplins DIY timer system which had one pot for duration and another for wait period - set up through a relay so it could open the tap for something like between 2 seconds and 5 minutes, with a wait of the same between them.
Reckoned that'd give enough adjustment to find something that worked.

Had it running 'on the bench', but never fitted it.
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found this on ebay for £1.50. Should do the trick
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking of trying their new Auto oiler :o
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the idea of a fuel injector to squirt oil, controlled by a 555. Would need a small pressurised pot of oil under seat. easy Smile
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried a fuel injector, but wasn't having it with a decent gravity feed using normal bike engine oil. Better with a lighter oil, apparently.

I bored it out more and more; by the point the oil would pass through, it stopped working, either the mechanism or that it didn't stop oil - forget which.
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cant imagine it working with gravity, I would be pressurising the oil tank. Im aware fuel systems work around 50psi so I would start from there

Other idea, was a small motor and an oil pump. I bought one but never got any further. 520 x ring chains last a hell of a long time with no adjustment compared to a 428.


Injectors seem to be 10 quid on ebay :/ anyone have a spare?
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oddly enough, may have - I'll "add it to the list" and see if there's 'owt about.

How are you planning to pressurise the tank?

I think others have it working with lower viscosity oil and a bit of gravity - but either way, the idea was to make it cheap and pressurising/buying oil went against what I was looking for.

I paid a fiver for one from a scrap yard (traditional one where you take stuff out yourself) - they tried to charge me £10 or £15 when I took it to the desk, but I pointed out I'd been quoted a fiver on the phone.

This looks like worth a go at a reasonable price:
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271136247183
Should be able to use old oil with gravity at a reasonable price (considering the lack of hassle.)

It'll also be designed to be held open.

Or this one, which is new:
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221189733007
When I got mine, it was the only one that didn't cost £50 or so.
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

tank could be just a 22mm copper tube with a pipe at one end and thread for valve at the other. Would be nice to be able to see oil level but not worth any extra effort. Foot pump would do, and provided injector does not leak, it would last a long time. Quite happy to make one and post it off to anyone that can supply injector Smile


If gravity was any good at depensing liquids through a small hole, carbs would not be complex venturis and we wouldnt have expensive fuel pumps for injectors

I did try using a small 2mm hoselock valve (b&q sell em). One for on/off and another always set the correct rate. It did work but often dispensed too much that would get on tire. I still wont lean right on the edge turning left. Eventually it leaked and I was quite happy to throw it away.
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 24 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah yes, that'd be quite easy - was thinking of something that'd be pressurised on the go.

I'm happy enough with the electric fuel cut off valve and gravity solution - don't see any reason it shouldn't work on the bike.
(Using a timer circuit to control the flow, of course.)
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 25 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
I cant imagine it working with gravity, I would be pressurising the oil tank. Im aware fuel systems work around 50psi so I would start from there

Other idea, was a small motor and an oil pump. I bought one but never got any further. 520 x ring chains last a hell of a long time with no adjustment compared to a 428.


Injectors seem to be 10 quid on ebay :/ anyone have a spare?


The oil is fed by capillary action too so as long as the hole is below the oil level then fluid will be sooked out.. (so long as the reservoir is vented)
If there a hole in something containing oil it will leak out.
What oil do you use? I know Scottoiler have blends for different ambient temperatures.
You could use a grade of oil for a warmer climate.... Neutral
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