Average speed cameras, anyone had an NIP?

[jjdugen]

Hi all.
Went for a spin over to Squires cafe from Manchester. Most of the M62 around Leeds and up to the A1 is regulated by these things. Most of the traffic doing 50 mph, but most of the trucks still chugging along at 55+. So, has anyone actually been done by these things? (Not the traffic flow controlers around Heathrow, Birmingham and Nottingham).
I know that the propaganda says that they are directly linked to DVLA and that your tickets are automatically generated if you transgress, but.....
Thats one shitload of realtime data to process (down our fairly inadequate data systems)
How many cameras does it take to establish an average?
I have noticed, (on the M62) that after every bank of forward facing yellow boxes, that there is one reward facing camera, usually hidden behind bridgeworks or similar, that looks far more lethal, (to motorcycles anyway).
Just what is the legalities of these things, legal beagles.
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[titan666]

Hi

I've shot throught there afew times and they seem to go on for ages!!
Ive basically done 60 most of the time and ive never had a single letter!

waste of bloody time and they really shag the flow up!


(family live down south so pass through plenty of average speed cams doing 60)

These camera are fun if you try and time yourself so you pass the ones on the nearside as your passing a truck doing whatever
same with the farside!
try and stay invisible game:)lol
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[drzsta]

Don't worry you old cunt you'll be be fine, fuck sake - grand old age of atleast 50+. Insurance increase will be minimal.
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[groovylee]

not sure about that particular stretch, but.......

https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/southend/9706576.A127_average_speed_cameras_do_work__4_000_motorists_are_caught/


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[titan666]

£75 fine..

fuck that shit!

Its easier for them to milk us motorists these days!

The days of fighting real crime has long past!

if your doing 70+ through them far enough but 55-60!they need to rip them down and stop wasting taxpayers money!

Its just a way of TELLING us how fast we can go,knowing we are going to drift alittle and make money from it while we do it!

For instance if you do 71 in a 70 the cops wont give a shit but doing 55 in a 50 gets you £75 lighter!(just lazy policing)
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[jjdugen]

OK, still waiting for anyone IN THE REAL WORLD who has had a NIP. Seems to me that the pulls in the link to the Essex cameras are more likely to be from mobile speed cameras.
The variable speed cameras, Heathrow Birmingham et.al work on the Gatso method, even down to the markings on the road, on an individual basis, nasty, but you know where you stand with these things. I honestly doubt that you can process the information over the distances involved for a correct average speed to be established, the computing power and data storage alone would be pretty mind boggling, let alone the natural failures of electronics exposed to our weather. That, of course, is not to say that their will be an active unit or two amongst the long lines of these things, but far more likely to be a Gatso type. Identify that one or two and you should be able to travel a little more freely.
Hers another interesting item hidden deep within the BBC news. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19226144. So much for our safety Nazis.
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[Blau Zedong]

Depends which cameras and what you believe.

One school of thought says that the M1 ones, when not displaying a limit under NSL, have a very high threshold (97mph), which is probably correct as otherwise it would be Bus Chat Forums as half of us went through them well over NSL after the BBQ.

However the M25 ones are supposedly set to ACPO guidelines for all limits.

Knowing what I know after researching them following the BBQ, I would personally not speed through them unless you know someone in, say, traffic enforcement that can tell you how the ones in question are set up.
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[shereen]

All the average speed cameras I have seen are front facing anyway.... I go through at whatever speed I fancy.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Guy I used to work with got caught with an average speed camera in some motorway road works.

All the best

Keith
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[Kickstart]

Hi

No, car. But the OP didn't appear to only be interested in bikes.

All the best

Keith
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[Mikey3]

It takes 2 cameras to make an average, speed = distance/time is how its worked out, so two fixed points and an average is made by the time it takes from passing the first camera to passing the second one.
Sometimes (like the hindhead tunnel) its 1 camera per lane, or one pair if you prefer.
I've always seen them forward facing most of the time so that may explain why you haven't known people on bikes getting done by them and would also explain Kickstart's friend getting caught out in the car.

HTH,

Mike
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[Louise]

Did a post couple a years ago on Ave speed cams - there was a block along the M27 from Hedge End to Southampton - Between Xmas eve till Boxing day night i pulled well over the Ave limit - on all 3 nights as it was dead. Never got a ticket - Never seen a rear facing one - yet....

[Old Git Racing]

I got done on the M18 last year in a car by avaerage speed cameras in roadworks, as had most of the people on the 'speed awareness' course I went to. 56 in a 50.

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[Stiffler]

Heh I've been meaning to ask this question myself after riding through that M62 section a couple of weeks ago. As far as I could see there weren't any rear facing SPECS. I was running late and 50mph is somewhat tedious especially when the whole section of roadworks was deserted it being a weekend.

Took a little liberty with the limit as calculated risk.
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[NeiljohnUK]

Road works around M27 j9 means the vultures are there for ~6 months, not just on the motorway, but on the feeder roads too. Whilst the vulture's are big and forward facing the 'other' scameras to log rear plates are small and well hidden...

[scream aim fire]

Fairly sure the ones on the A13 don't work, they are set up really strangely, there are 2 sets spaced about 20 yards from each other then none for a couple of miles then 2 sets again
I've sped through a few times in the car & Never had a fine, The ones on the 127 I always go through at 56 (Cruise control ftw) also never had a fine

I think its the same as the old Gatso's, some set up, some for show.
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[radicalrabit]

got caught out on the Cat and Fiddle last year saaaaaaad....
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[Snorty]

Passed the M62 cameras today, was a passenger in a car though.

I've gone through the average sections at 90+ before with no issues. If, by rare chance, they're the rear facing ones, just block its line of sight with a van or HGV.
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[Tungtvann]

A friend of mine got caught on the M1 at around 60 mph a few months back. He said he was just keeping up with the traffic so hundreds probably got caught. I set my cruise control at 55 dead (my speedo is exactly correct so I am going 55) and never have a ticket.

If at night, try and look for the faint infra red glow from the lamps to see if it's switched on or not. I cannot guarantee they won't get you if the lamp isn't on, but how can a non infra red camera see your plates at night?

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[Nick_Giles]

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Cat and Fiddle road has them facing both forward and backwards.

No idea if they are dummy ones that are rearward facing or not.?

I think they were placed onto that road predominantly for bikers due to a long history of bikers splattering themselves at high speed.

It's a fantastic road to ride but it is not forgiving to the foolish that over estimate their abilities. (I ride it like a total pussy )


Nick
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