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Jonathan A
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 12 Mar 2013    Post subject: Chinese 650s! Reply with quote

https://www.wkbikes.com/50cc_motorbikes_and_125cc_Motorbikes.htm

Just come across these (at the bottom of the page).

It is either an accident waiting to happen, or a sign that the Chinese bike is moving on...

who knows Confused
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 12 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=3214758
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 12 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a rather nice looking tourer in there, £5199 OTR though.

https://www.wkbikes.com/650cc_motorbikes_wk-650tr.html

Now would I trust touring on a chinese bike?
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 12 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Last Post in that previous thread stands:

A very insightful chap wrote:
I'm sure that 95% of it is fine, but my concerns would remain about insurance, warranty and spares availability. Bin that, and where are you getting a new fairing from? "WK bikes" seem to be keen to sell you insurance, but not parts. Their local dealer (hmm, I might take a trip[*]) doesn't mention it either.


[*] But didn't.

They're just not cheap enough for the risk you're taking on. What they're asking would buy you a barely run in Japanese or European branded equivalent that won't immediately lose 1/4 of its value and be a sod to insure and find parts for when (not if) something goes wrong.

The most positive owner review that I could find about the TR tourer listed a litany of faults within the first 1400km. Parts availability is critical. WeMoto has nothing, so you're totally at the mercy of the sole importer.

If they sort the parts situation then who knows, I might bag a TR in a year, for about half what they're asking new. If anyone is daft enough to buy one, and they might be because they will look great sitting in a showroom with 0 miles on them.
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 12 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

normally im a fan of chinese bikes as they meet a need for a disposable price

however at this level, im not convinced they can cut it, and i feel sorry for most of the current dealers that venture down this road,

no one in their right mind will chalk up a £ 4-5k purchase as a learning experiance, they will and rightly so demand proper service/warrenty/parts and a bike that will last longer than the finance on it

seeing as i will never ride one ( dont intend to get a full licence) ill leave the rest of the opinions to you guys who might or know more about the larger bikes, but i will keep an eye on them
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 12 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
<some interesting stuff>

I agree with Roger's comments.
I am sure one day Chinese made bikes will be the norm and people will not think twice.

However, right now they are not worth it due to the mentioned build quality, parts availability, insurance issues (due to no parts does that make every bike a write-off?) and lack of dealer network.

It's a bit like Hyosung. I like the bikes but after my lad's Comet GT I would not touch them with a barge pole. No parts, dealers being back street outfits selling other Chinese stuff*. It's a bit of a lottery.



* Yes I know Hyosung is Korean but the dealers appear to sell any cheap tat.
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 12 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is in the spec for that tourer....

Detailed Specification WK 650i

EFI with Ducati Energia ECU. 2 x 38mm ITT Throttle bodies and single Magneti Marelli injector per cyclinder

Front : 41mm KYB/Kayaba telescopic fork
Rear: Extruded steel swingarm with tubular bracing and
KYB/Kayaba cantilever monoshock

Now these are big name manufacturers and putting their parts on a Chinese bike? Confused
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PostPosted: 01:01 - 13 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

#1 Where do you think those "big names" are actually buying their parts from?

#2 It could be complete bullshit. This is from the country where they have poisoned babies on an industrial scale to turn a profit. Repeatedly. Heck, the nekkid bike is a straight rip off of the ER6, we're not dealing with a paragon of business ethics here.

The thing is, I really do want to be convinced by these bikes. I've had two Chinese bikes and they were fine for the money. I like the look of the TR, it ticks all the right boxes for me. I could buy one tomorrow, cash (not JiveBunny cash, actual cash that I actually own). Will I? Not likely.

I will however commit to calling the local dealer and asking if they're planning to get one in stock, and when they do I will take a trip to have a close look at it and then not buy it.
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PostPosted: 01:04 - 13 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
This is in the spec for that tourer....

Detailed Specification WK 650i

EFI with Ducati Energia ECU. 2 x 38mm ITT Throttle bodies and single Magneti Marelli injector per cyclinder

Front : 41mm KYB/Kayaba telescopic fork
Rear: Extruded steel swingarm with tubular bracing and
KYB/Kayaba cantilever monoshock

Now these are big name manufacturers and putting their parts on a Chinese bike? Confused


from a little digging the ecu seems to be an off the shelf item made under licence in china,
marelli have been supplying injector for the home lpg fitting market for years so ok a quality part, but dont care who they sell too,
and as to the shocks etc, they are off the shelf too

you can get showa fork etc on some of the 125 scoots they churn out,

the problems with chinese bikes seems to be from how they put all the parts together and the QA issues involved, that and suspect paint and wiring issues, let alone the plastics. Crying or Very sad

one part of me wants them to make a half decent job of it, to force the mainline brands to compete, the other is praying no one dies from shoddy workmanship
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 13 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you can get second hand ones for less than a good nick SV, maybe - but at under £1k for an ok curvy SV if you're careful, it'll probably be a while as people try and keep some kind of value in the expensive heavy lump of questionable quality metal they've purchased with a new registration plate.
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 13 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
but at under £1k for an ok curvy SV if you're careful


Where? I'll buy it.
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 13 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just keep an eye out - a good for on gumtree that you should be able to get for £1k, for a start - of course you will have sort the wheat from the chaff.
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 13 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
...Detailed Specification WK 650i

Ducati Energia ECU...single Magneti Marelli injector KYB/Kayaba telescopic fork
KYB/Kayaba cantilever monoshock

Now are they 'real' parts or their Chinese made equivalents ( Shifty cough counterfeit* cough Thinking ).



* may be as said via the 'made under licence' banner. Much like Grolsch beer is in the UK...and I know how bad that is compared to the real thing.
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 13 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem here is the price. You can get a very nice used 600 or liter bike for £2000, so why would anyone spend £4100 for a heavy chinese bike. 125's cost £1000, chinky bikes need to be under £2500 if they want good sales.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 13 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's an ex demo, 100 miler on ebay for 3300.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 13 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would that be a mr Redding?

https://www.wkbikes.com/images/650i-cadwell-park.jpg
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 13 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

garth wrote:
There's an ex demo, 100 miler on ebay for 3300.

Wah wah waaaaaaaah.

No model change, so why get shot of a low mileage demo bike?

That price is more realistic though.

The local dealer haven't been answering their phone. I imagine they're too busy selling the quads and pit bikes that appear to make up the bulk of their trade (thanks, Streetview).
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 13 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
EFI with Ducati Energia ECU. 2 x 38mm ITT Throttle bodies and single Magneti Marelli injector per cyclinder

So.

Since when was a motorcycle which has the same electrical componants fitted as an Italian one considered to be a good thing?
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 13 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
EFI with Ducati Energia ECU. 2 x 38mm ITT Throttle bodies and single Magneti Marelli injector per cyclinder

So.

Since when was a motorcycle which has the same electrical componants fitted as an Italian one considered to be a good thing?



When Magnetti Marelli are doing the spec ECU for motogp, I don't think it's a bad thing.
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 13 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

garth wrote:
When Magnetti Marelli are doing the spec ECU for motogp, I don't think it's a bad thing.


Doesn't mean it's any good, just means it's easy to fiddle with.

Certainly doesn't mean it's reliable.
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 13 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

garth wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:


Since when was a motorcycle which has the same electrical componants fitted as an Italian one considered to be a good thing?


When Magnetti Marelli are doing the spec ECU for motogp, I don't think it's a bad thing.


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