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haroman666
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PostPosted: 02:04 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: University design project Reply with quote

Hi all.

This isn't going to be a long interesting project where you'll see developments as I go along. It's more of a "Yay i'm proud of what I made" quick picture whoring.

It's just some screenshots of my CAD modeled assembly of an "Electric Motorcycle Powertrain".

I used CATIA V5 and i've spent a large number of hours creating something that I am happy with.

I appreciate it's not a majorly complex design, in terms of; I haven't gone out of my way to think of unique engineering solutions for some of the problems posed during the design process.

Points will be given to those who can spot which motorbikes I have taken/stolen inspiration/ideas from Mr. Green

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I await the critique of BCF Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 02:19 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shit, electric bikes fly?!!one!

Pretty cool though, I struggle making a CAD screw, let alone things like this Karma
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PostPosted: 02:29 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

NSR 500 back end, and you deserve real kudos for that CAD work man, great job! Karma
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

is this thing actually going to be made??
if so id ditch the sss and use a regular swing arm,
and use a chain not a belt,
looks good though
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the compliments Thumbs Up

NSR500 is a bit off the money there Louis... Definitely some Honda in there though.

And Hmmmnz: Nah not going to be made unfortunately. It's just a design project. So I'm just covering the process pre-production.
However I may see if I can get a company to rapid-prototype it just so I have a wee little model of it!
And as for SSS; I wanted something that was aesthetically pleasing to myself. My favourite bike uses a single-sider and so major inspiration came from that bike. I'm aware that it would be a better design if I'd gone for a normal swingarm.
And the choice of a belt was based on various points but the main one being: It's a clutchless, cush-driveless drivetrain and therefore is not going to be very smooth to use: A belt is smoother than a chain so reduces ride harshness when pulling away and rolling off the throttle. I have a whole page dedicated to drive-type choice.
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

haroman666 wrote:

And the choice of a belt was based on various points but the main one being: It's a clutchless, cush-driveless drivetrain and therefore is not going to be very smooth to use: A belt is smoother than a chain so reduces ride harshness when pulling away and rolling off the throttle. I have a whole page dedicated to drive-type choice.

And easier to draw! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slingshot style frame and an NC35 rear end, did you consider what the rest of the architecture would look like? IC engined bikes have to leave a massive hole for the engine, whereas you have a bit more freedom with where the batteries can go.

electric machines in automotive applications pretty much always have to go through a gearbox btw.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

yen_powell wrote:
And easier to draw! Very Happy


Shhhhhhhh Shhh!


Laughing

Tristan. wrote:
Slingshot style frame and an NC35 rear end, did you consider what the rest of the architecture would look like? IC engined bikes have to leave a massive hole for the engine, whereas you have a bit more freedom with where the batteries can go.

electric machines in automotive applications pretty much always have to go through a gearbox btw.


Frame design was just something quick I mocked up with not too much thought about it but I see the resemblence so good shout there.

And boom 10 points Razz It was more an NC30 VFR I was going for but I doubt there's much difference at all.

There's also some BMW inspired design too.

Batteries for the bike would sit in the massive hole where an IC engine would be. I'd probably use some underslung frame bars like a GS500 to add rigidity to the overall structure and then the batteries can be set as low in the frame as possible between the 2 wheels. Batteries (According to my project supervisor) are not part of the powertrain and therefore not of a concern for me so I haven't gone to any extent to think about that.

And about a gearbox... What makes you say that?
I'm aware that the whole Zeromotorcycles range of bikes use a direct drive, single speed; the same as my design is.
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Electric machines have a varying spread of torque just like an ICE

https://www.motoredbikes.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22151&d=1256999307

as you can see the curve is flat at the lower limit. As power is torque x revs it would mean that would limit your power right where you want to pull off from 0 revs. Maybe not such a problem on a 200kg bike as on 2t of car though.
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you'd like, when you've finished I could put a few minutes aside to visualise it for you.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You got weeny spring syndrome dude.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously, that's a faggot spring.
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

But when pulling away, is it not Torque that's required... Turning force. High torque is a high turning force which is required to get the bike moving (0 - Low rpm).
Power is needed to sustain high speeds: high rpm, less turning force needed.
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
You got weeny spring syndrome dude.


It's not about size...

Which is a statement from someone who it clearly is a problem for. Laughing

Packaging space meant I couldn't go for a large radius and large gauge spring...

It's only a wee electric bike Embarassed
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Redoko wrote:
If you'd like, when you've finished I could put a few minutes aside to visualise it for you.


That'd be cool. Like a rendering but better?
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

haroman666 wrote:
Redoko wrote:
If you'd like, when you've finished I could put a few minutes aside to visualise it for you.


That'd be cool. Like a rendering but better?


No, like putting in a fuckoff big spring.
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

haroman666 wrote:
But when pulling away, is it not Torque that's required... Turning force. High torque is a high turning force which is required to get the bike moving (0 - Low rpm).
Power is needed to sustain high speeds: high rpm, less turning force needed.


actually you only consider torque when calculating capability, so your right, the high low down torque is positive (though if they worked to the theoretical curve it would be even better)

As you say there's precedence from other bikes. It's just a common preconception that electric motors don't need transmissions.

I made this when I was in my last year of uni

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PostPosted: 21:10 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh jeez that's awesome!

Kinda puts mine to shame really Embarassed

What package did you use? What was your course?
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used Solidworks for that, though I now use Catia, they're very similar. I did mechanical engineering with CAD (although I don't know why the course was called that, we only did 2 CAD modules)
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh cool. I heard that Solidworks is easier to get to grips with, is that true?

Cause i'm mostly proficient at Catia solid part modelling/assemblies and a bit of surfacing. But if Solidworks is easier then i'd like to learn it too.

Wow... Only 2 modules? Does seem a bit odd putting it in the course title. I'm doing Motorsport Technology and i've had at least 1 module that involved Catia or CFD every semester (6 semesters over 3 years)
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesus. Is this what constitutes reality? Pass me a fucken' revolver.
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

haroman666 wrote:
Ahh cool. I heard that Solidworks is easier to get to grips with, is that true?

Cause i'm mostly proficient at Catia solid part modelling/assemblies and a bit of surfacing. But if Solidworks is easier then i'd like to learn it too.

Wow... Only 2 modules? Does seem a bit odd putting it in the course title. I'm doing Motorsport Technology and i've had at least 1 module that involved Catia or CFD every semester (6 semesters over 3 years)


they're both Dassault packages and theyre really very similar. The GUI of solidworks is a lot friendlier, but it's not really much easier, Catia is much more powerful, and obviously it's a more industry standard, so it's much more useful when it comes to getting a job.

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PostPosted: 22:04 - 28 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Balls.
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 01 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

when that shock were to compress would you get some crazy head angle on those forks.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 01 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must have had some idea what I meant last night, but this morning I have not a clue. My apologies, I sounded like a twat. Embarassed
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