why didn't we lie all the way about WMD??

[trevor saxe-coburg-gotha]

It's almost 10 years to the day since David Kelly made an attempt to enter Iraq for the first time.

One thing I've never quite grasped from that whole epic saga is this: if us and the yanks were going to lie so long and hard about Iraq's WMD capability, why didn't we go the whole hog and just fucking well plant some there (obviously at a later stage, when we'd invaded - I mean)?

I've always thought it was odd that the lie was "botched" in this way. What was it Goebbels said - 'the bigger the lie, the more it will be believed.' Well, the lie was already pretty large to begin with - so why the hell not max the fucker out?

As it was, it was plain embarrassing after all the fuss Bush and Blair had been making. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Yes, yes I know - that's exactly what Bush was. Thick as shit. But not those around him, for fucks sake.

I've never really understood this.
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[fatpies]

Because after the shooting starts (and the profits are made) then whatever pre-text doesnt really matter anymore. The objective has been acomplished. You can then lie and say but if we leave then the country will fall to bits (while conveniently ignoring the fact it was US which created the situation in the first place).

As politicians are NEVER held accountable anyway.

Vietnam happened in exactly the same way, lies about the USS Maddox being attacked, which didn't actually happen.

Same with Libya lies about humanitarian reasons and a no fly zone (which was actually close air support). Did any politician's head roll did they hell.


It just shows the utter contempt politicians hold people in, if there were any justice the politicians of that era would be imprisoned. But there is no justice therefore they are rich off the profits from those wars.
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[Kradmelder]

Because there was no need to tell more lies. As the Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said

[Rogerborg]

I prefer Blair's first lie, which is that we coat-tailed in simply because of a blood debt to the Yanks.

After that, the story kept changing so fast I couldn't keep up.
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[Lord Percy]

What I find most annoying is how most modern battles, where it's the West against someone else, are always looked back on with a realisation of general resentment and a blinding obviousness that the Western powers were the invaders. It's shameful. Nothing to do with us as general public, but still shameful.

And what I'm linking this to is that it bugs me most how wars that are currently being fought, so there's no hindsight or closure, are vastly supported by the idiot masses, with their opinions pushed and exacerbated by the idiot-media. I'm so sick of all this, "Our brave boys over there volunteering to protect our country from terrorists, risking their lives and going way beyond what any other man might do, heroes heroes, heroes" etc etc.

Don't the fucking plebs realise it's the same now as it's always been?! The last genuine battle was the Falklands. Before that, to some extent, Korea (but only maybe). And then WW2, where the home front was properly at risk.

HOW CAN ANYONE THINK THE CURRENT 'BATTLES' OF TODAY ARE IN ANY WAY LIKE REAL WAR?!

I hate saying this because there's such a risk of another deaf, blinkered idiot dogmatically ignoring the truth, but to be honest if you take a great big fuck-off step back and think about it all, like look at it all on a world map, or consider it 100% from the other point of view.... Western powers have INVADED many Arab nations over the past 10 or 20 years. Whatever the apparent reason, be it good or bad, just think of it like this: Would you be happy if your society and culture, be it peaceful or not, were suddenly greeted by the military of faraway lands? Nah. Me neither. I'd be using whatever means possible to get rid of the invading fuckers - IEDs, ambushes, assassinations, you name it, I'd be doing all I could to get the bastard invading scum to retreat. Because that, from an ideological sense, and from the viewpoint of the everyday citizen, is all the Western troops are.

And what's more, WHY THE FUCK IS WAR GLORIFIED?! I'm pretty sure when there's news of battle or invasion or anything, there should be a grave sense of worry at what might happen next, and if everything will be ok for those involved, etc etc. But these days it's all been dumbed down and desensitised by war movies and newspapers. Standard quote but I do reckon most real veterans would happily agree, "War is hell." If they think differently, they're psychopathic or haven't seen it properly. OK sure, I haven't actually seen war either, but why would I actively choose to, if the battle doesn't concern my own interests?

I'd say a good 75% or more of soldiers in all of the British forces (or all Western forces) are only there because it's a fairly secure job and, most importantly, has been hugely idealised by popular culture. Hey, I even applied to be an RAF pilot when I was 19. Looking back, I know for certain that I only wanted to do it because I thought it was cool as fuck. And that's the problem. No one really cares about the reality any more.

[fatpies]

Because war is incredibly profitable for many companies.

Boeing for instance derives 80% of its entire revenue from the US military contracts. BAE is probably the same as is vickers etc.


BTW be disillusioned more.

WWII wasn't a defensive war or a moral war, WWII was about profits. In Germany it was about usury, all money has debt attached to it, Hitler copied Worgl and made debt free money. The bankers didn't like that at all. So he had to be destroyed. (See Guernsey and their debt free money the bankers have tried to destroy this system for centuries). Germany wanted a piece of the British profits (empire) too.

In the East it was a trade embargo against Japan but yanks still think it was an unprovoked surprise attack (Tsunami gods revenge posts on facebook for context). Japan was a threat to our profitability, i.e. they wanted some of British empire profits too. So they were destroyed.



The Korean war was about business interests, communist ideology is bad for western capitalist profits. The Korean situation today is the S Korean corporates thinking if the North gets opened up they get tons of virtual slave labour and can increase their profits.
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[Hetzer]

Take war away...then poverty...starvation...illness...pretty soon we'd be left with what, a perfect utopia? The point was covered well in the movie, The Matrix...given a perfect utopia, mankind went batshit. What point me having the Porsche 911 and the model girlfriend if everyone else has the same? What point being able to paint a beautiful picture or write a wonderful song if everyone else can do it too?

So we all got all the food we can eat, all the things we want, no illness and we all get to live on the perfect beach.

Fuck that shit, let's have us a WAR!
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[fatpies]

[Lord Percy]

In fairness I thought WW2 etc might have something fishy about them but decided to leave it out as I wasn't sure.

I hear WW1 was kicked off because Kaiser Wilhelm had plans to build a railway from Germany to Iraq.

Ok sod it all war is shite. What I really mean is that the only ones who should 'support' war are the ones doing the defending from the attackers.

[Vracktal]

If you have time for it, watch the movie "In the loop" It's a depressingly correlateable satire of the justification process for the war in the middle east.
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[Lord Percy]

[Nick 50]

Iraq did have WMD's both Biological and Chemical and were sold them by the very countries who invaded.

Not long after the invasion there was a video of US military going into containers containing chemical weapons marked clearly with which US and UK companies they had come from. Within days the video vanished from the interweb never to be seen again!
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[Dr. Quack]

Why do we try to defeat evil by doing it?

The Mysterious Astronomical Clock in Prague
https://www.travelstripe.com/images/the-astronomical-clock-prague1.JPG

Everything in Prague has a story, and so it is with the Old Town clock. Natives claim that when the mechanical figures were created, town officials had the clockmaker blinded so that he would never duplicate his masterpiece. https://architecture.about.com/cs/greatbuildings/a/pragueclock.htm

But he did.
The Strasbourg astronomical clock is located in the Cathédrale Notre-Dame of Strasbourg, Alsace, France.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasbourg_astronomical_clock
Quote: The name of its maker is not known.

Isn't this where political meetings are held?
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Nixon's 'war on drugs' began 40 years ago.
Despite decades of battling against narcotics, the levels of addiction, trafficking and violence continue to rise. The war on drugs has failed.
https://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/jul/24/war-on-drugs-40-years

War on weapons of mass destruction.
This goes back the the 80's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
We're still there with Syria.

We're just fcked over time and time again.

[LordShaftesbu...]

[fatpies]

[LordShaftesbu...]

[unitynotsocri...]

It was only possible by the repeated message and propoganda of servile journalist,MP's absolving themselves of responsibility and intense activity between american military and media ,and Murdoch and the other demi gods......repeated message......works......even if only for the reality systems of 30,000 people living in the rarified atmosphere of the square mile,parlimentary,bbc,print,media lodges.

thanks to high level CORRUPT masonry it was possible to subvert national political institutions and countries,using weapons of prpoganda against our own populations,


its was all done for bizzness and greed.......like the manchester bomb and the bizz and police lodges.

WORKING TOGETHER........LETS UNITE (Cameron motto)

so its easily possible for a small number of people to dominate a large number of people......providing your small number of people are in the key executives/departments.......Controlling media is a prior requirment.
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[unitynotsocri...]

thanks dr. quack for a good post.A clear example of our western white roots,twelve tribes= twelve astroligacal signs,eclipses etc.....same message despite the teachings of many religeous leaders that worshipping planets(angels) and graven images is not on.

so the babylonian necromancers and elemental magicians carry on as normal............using elelmental energies for domination and spiritual slavery.

try to understand that 'christian' leaders involved in masonry have a religeous mindeset thats as conditioned as Al Khaeda or the moonies.
there are tricked with rituals and rewards,just like suicide bombers families who get a new Mercedes......same shit different bottle.

basically most of our miseries,apart from human sufferings are caused by being at the mercy of elemental magicians,tricksters,propogandaist,exploiters of the ignorant ,with lies and false philosophies,usually backed up by money ,honour or priveledge.

Evil....anti life......anti equality........priveledged psyhcopaths and skilled sociopaths......
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