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bikertomm
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Opinions on Honda Hornet / CB600F's? Reply with quote

Hi,

Time has finally come where I'm seriously looking for a bigger bike after passing my test back in September so I'll be on 33BHP.

I've seen a Hornet that looks ideal, and the owner can even restrict it aswell.

My question is it's a 1999 bike, with around 20K Miles on. I know they are known for being pretty reliable but at the end of the day it's still a 14 year old bike, should I be worried Laughing ?

What's it like owning an older bike?

It has a full 12 Month MOT just done, 2 brand new tyres, and a nice stubby exhaust which looks good, and the description says it's in really condition and has no problems at all ready to ride away.

It's at £1850, what are your thoughts?

It's the model with the 16" front wheel so be interested to see if anyone's owned one and what they thought of it.

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PostPosted: 16:26 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I owned one for about six months and 6,000 miles.

I rode it round France and Italy, 2400 miles in two weeks without a problem.

They're geared too high as standard. Lower the gearing by changing the sprockets and the speedo reads wrong...

Gearbox I found to be a typical Honda box. Gears are all there but not as slick as others. Mine jumped out of third a few times - However on the whole, ok.

Main gripe was the vibration. At (I can't remember exactly) 5-7k rpm, it really did tingle. This just so happens to be top gear A road / Motorway speeds. I fitted a dynojet kit, balanced the carbs etc etc and it was still there. Most frustrating.

They go ok. Very little low down, need revving to get the best out of them.

Suspension is basic. Mine was utterly shot by 20k.

Tank range is pretty crap if you use the power. If you're nice to it you can squeeze 120 out of a tank though.

I didn't have any problems with the 16" front wheel, bar the limited tyre choice. I used Diablos. They were ok.

Quite a good wheelie bike though.

I wouldn't pay £1850 for one.
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just bought a 2006 triumph speed 4 for £2200. FSH, 11K new tires, scott oiler the bike is in very good condition.

I would shop around more go and see as many bikes as you can, the guy originally wanted £2700 for mine but haggled him plus he took it on a part ex so had already made his money so was okay to let it go cheaper. If I hadn't gone and looked I probably would of paid £2700 for it so its worth your while.

I like Hornet's but the price put me off 2k seems the going rate for older hornet's which IMO isn't worth it. I'd rather save up a little more and get a more modern Kawasaki z750 or similar for a few hundred more.

or get something like a cb500, gs. gpz etc for cheap get used to a bigger bike then get a 600 etc when you want something a bit bigger.

Did my test on a gsr600 then got a cb500 IMO for a new rider cb500 was much more easy to ride and more confidence inspiring.


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PostPosted: 16:33 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh and if you do get it, don't get pissed on Peroni and drop it against the side of your house, because it will break the rev counter, you'll find out how expensive new clocks are, and have to replace the needle with a match stick.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Hornet is a decent first big bike imho, never owned one but rode a couple of mates Hornets. At £1850 for a tidy 1999 model it sounds like an over priced bike at a dealers?

This is a bit more sensibly priced 1999 Hornet imho, full service history, 12 months MOT and similar mileage.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201303075663199/sort/recpriceascdefault/usedbikes/price-from/1000/cc-to/600cc/price-to/2000/cc-from/600cc/model/hornet/make/honda/page/1/radius/1500/postcode/pr22xp?logcode=p
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^ that's more like it Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's ridiculously expensive for such an old bike. You will definitely not be getting that back when you come to sell.

I own a 99 ZZR 600 and the only things I've had to change on it are speedo cable & throttle cables. I got it with 20K or so and have since wound that up to 30K. As long as it's been looked after, it'll be fine. Especially with such a low mileage.

I'd be looking at things like downpipes & brake hoses. Both deteriorate with age and can cost a bit to replace. Nothing which would tell me not to buy it, just something to haggle with.
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aspire wrote:

or get something like a cb500, gs. gpz etc for cheap get used to a bigger bike then get a 600 etc when you want something a bit bigger.

Did my test on a gsr600 then got a cb500 IMO for a new rider cb500 was much more easy to ride and more confidence inspiring.



I've also owned a CB500.

It was shit.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take a look at the Kawasaki Z750 aswell.

Picked mine up for a shade under £2k, on an 05 plate.

I find it better in pretty much everyway than the Hornet. But not as good as an S Triple.
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 2003 with 76k on the clock, engine still runs absolutely fine, no idea what work it's had done before I owned it, I've had it on the road since Jan.

Currently in the garage for front brake to be sorted (seized with road salt), new tyres & new chain+sprockets.

I find it handles very nicely and gets upto speed very easily.

Didn't really like the stock bars but have switched for renthal road lows (£25) and it's now comfy as fook, no aches on 150 miles each way journey etc.

If you're looking for fuel economy however it's definately not the bike for you, with it being a 99 bike it'll also have a smaller fuel tank so the range isn't particularly great.

Also the vibration thing, I get it on mine but only when i hit about 7k, both under and over this are fine though
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

garth wrote:
Aspire wrote:

or get something like a cb500, gs. gpz etc for cheap get used to a bigger bike then get a 600 etc when you want something a bit bigger.

Did my test on a gsr600 then got a cb500 IMO for a new rider cb500 was much more easy to ride and more confidence inspiring.



I've also owned a CB500.

It was shit.


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PostPosted: 17:01 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a a 98 Hornet - fantastic bike I must say.

Cosmetically it is pretty crap, but that's only because it wasn't looked after particularly well..
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I love my Hornet. Very Happy

That mileage is nothing to those engines.

I would say however that the asking price is a little steep (especially for a 16" front wheel version.) As I paid £1700 for my 2001 with only 6K on the clock. ........... Perhaps I was just lucky to be in the right place at the right time as the lady NEEDED to sell it rapid.


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PostPosted: 17:14 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some great replies coming in lads just what I was after thankyou Thumbs Up

It's not a dealership I don't think.

I don't really want a 500, they all look rather bland, would rather a DRZ 400 but they are really pricey at the moment.

I can insure a Hornet for £395 which IMO is amazing.

The MPG does not matter at all as the bike will be purely for fun Thumbs Up

Here's a picture of it, it does look tidy.

I'm guessing it may be a tad overpriced but it doesn't seem too bad. It will be my first big bike so I'm guessing it will feel like a rocket ship anyway. Also has 2 new tyres so that must have cost a few bob which (might reflect why he's asking more for it)

If it looks decent and I could knock off say £100 I think I'd be happy, because I'd be getting a 33BHP kit aswell which is all extra expense on another bike, I'd be happy to just get it over with Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 17:18 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's obviously your money and if you're happy pay that, then all good.

BUT, restrictors are what, around £40 on eBay? (Assuming this is a carbed bike)
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does look clean! Needs bellypan and fly screen Wink
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

moppy wrote:
It's obviously your money and if you're happy pay that, then all good.

BUT, restrictors are what, around £40 on eBay? (Assuming this is a carbed bike)


In two minds really, I almost want a newer bike for peace of mind but I know it doesn't always work like that!

Just interested into what an older bike is going to cost and whether BCF reckons it's worth it so all good Thumbs Up

They might be £40, then I've got to fit them (I'm more retarded than JiveBunny) and I do sort of want a certificate even thought it's all complete bullshit, just for peace of mind)
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikertomm wrote:
so I'm guessing it will feel like a rocket ship anyway.




They can be.!

But only when you tell them to. Around town at low (ish) revs they are a total pussycat. You have to very deliberately give them a 'fist full' to make them tango.!

5k revs before the engine comes alive and 7-8k before it really kicks in.

When I changed to mine from an ER5 it felt a lot easier to ride IMHO, and ER's are renown as an easy to ride training school bike. Keep the revs down and it will not bite but has the better handling and brakes etc. so I consider it to be a much safer package that will hustle when only required.


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PostPosted: 17:29 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikertomm wrote:

In two minds really, I almost want a newer bike for peace of mind but I know it doesn't always work like that!

Just interested into what an older bike is going to cost and whether BCF reckons it's worth it so all good Thumbs Up

They might be £40, then I've got to fit them (I'm more retarded than JiveBunny) and I do sort of want a certificate even thought it's all complete bullshit, just for peace of mind)
Have you not seen Paddys certificate? Laughing

Fair enough, but I would just say that it really isn't difficult to install/remove restrictors. And I think if you look around, you should be able to find a newer Hornet for that price.
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

evoboy wrote:
Take a look at the Kawasaki Z750 aswell.

Picked mine up for a shade under £2k, on an 05 plate.

I find it better in pretty much everyway than the Hornet. But not as good as an S Triple.


Interesting suggestion, I've never really noticed this bike.

Seen a good example on an 06 plate for £2200. A lot more bike for the money, but just a shame they don't do anything for me, not the best looking!

Also can insure one for £367! Not sure how it would cope restricted though?

Anyway back on topic!

Nick, she'll be getting a fistful when necessary don't you worry about that Razz But not sure how the restriction would work if it cuts me off at certain revs or is just a throttle one or what.

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PostPosted: 17:36 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikertomm wrote:
But not sure how the restriction would work if it cuts me off at certain revs or is just a throttle one or what.



You mean you are actually going to fit those things.? Shocked

Everyone else's seem to melt or fall out. Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 17:39 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cracking bikes, hold their money well, will pay for itself when you upgrade either by private sale or p/x.

Pootle round on it or wring it's neck, it's happy doing either. It's hard work on motorway commutes with windblast, but doable. With good rubber and a will to have fun, it's a proper hoon on back roads.
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could go speed 4?

Better brakes,chassis, suspension - same price range and insurance group.
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikertomm wrote:
evoboy wrote:
Take a look at the Kawasaki Z750 aswell.

Picked mine up for a shade under £2k, on an 05 plate.

I find it better in pretty much everyway than the Hornet. But not as good as an S Triple.


Interesting suggestion, I've never really noticed this bike.

Seen a good example on an 06 plate for £2200. A lot more bike for the money, but just a shame they don't do anything for me, not the best looking!

Also can insure one for £367! Not sure how it would cope restricted though?



Did you look at the one with the fairing on or the naked version? The naked one looks brilliant IMO, but i guess not everyone has the same taste.

It should handle restriction better than a Hornet, as its fuel injected. It does better miles per tank than a Hornet and its got a fair amount of low down grunt in comparison.

They do seem to be overlooked, maybe its because its a 750?

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PostPosted: 18:56 - 22 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say have a dig around for cheaper ones.. It does look a little high, I have a 99 bandit with 11k and it cost me £1150.. I know the hornets command higher prices but that's a bit steep. Oh and they are said to be a little smaller than other bikes in it's class although I haven't seen one THAT close to confirm Very Happy
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