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 Posted: 02:36 - 07 Apr 2013 Post subject: Legality of Japanese Helmet (Non ECE) |
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I'm interested in buying a helmet from Japan that claims to meet the Japanese SG standard but isn't tested for UK standards. The helmet:
https://global.rakuten.com/en/store/crowracing/item/491899/
With UK laws having clear restrictions on what standards are legal, I'm not sure how much grey area there is regarding helmet standards, especially when you have that exception where Sikhs are allowed to forego helmets in lieu of a turban.
Will wearing that Japanese helmet get me taken down by the plod the moment they see me? ____________________ Motorsapien Art |
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Posted by ちゃっぴー0819 on 1/24/12 I will buy a vintage helmet or was at a loss, but I was careless, but the price is cheap, and this helmet may ask a shop for paint by a carry-on with a helmet before a hand does not appear pricewise and purchases it when paint is different from an image and! !The form is the best, too! !I examine the purchase of other colors! !
Posted by ガンダムン0560 on 9/15/11 I think that you may take an appearance and the lightness, but I am sorry that a silver part of the relationship came off. A shield is the best as a demand more if attached!
Posted by a buyer on 3/13/08 I longed for the toe cutter army corps of the mad max, and I wanted you to want a helmet made in BELL company of the 70s, and it was unbearable, but the genuine article was rare for the times and was high and could not reach it, and the replica did not seem to be made too much, and this article made a hit when I looked for it to look for it and rolled it up! As for the form and the size a color (is way of vulgarity rhinoceros Coe of the lam!) ) is perfect, too, but a price is splendid even if I say anything! If, as for the maker stock, rather less みたいなので is at a loss comparatively; atto-...
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Great reviews too lol, what is a rhinoceros Coe of the lam?
The first one is the best |
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| J.Silvs wrote: | | Quote: | Customer Reviews
Posted by ちゃっぴー0819 on 1/24/12 I will buy a vintage helmet or was at a loss, but I was careless, but the price is cheap, and this helmet may ask a shop for paint by a carry-on with a helmet before a hand does not appear pricewise and purchases it when paint is different from an image and! !The form is the best, too! !I examine the purchase of other colors! !
Posted by ガンダムン0560 on 9/15/11 I think that you may take an appearance and the lightness, but I am sorry that a silver part of the relationship came off. A shield is the best as a demand more if attached!
Posted by a buyer on 3/13/08 I longed for the toe cutter army corps of the mad max, and I wanted you to want a helmet made in BELL company of the 70s, and it was unbearable, but the genuine article was rare for the times and was high and could not reach it, and the replica did not seem to be made too much, and this article made a hit when I looked for it to look for it and rolled it up! As for the form and the size a color (is way of vulgarity rhinoceros Coe of the lam!) ) is perfect, too, but a price is splendid even if I say anything! If, as for the maker stock, rather less みたいなので is at a loss comparatively; atto-...
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Great reviews too lol, what is a rhinoceros Coe of the lam?
The first one is the best |
You beat me to it! Funny Asians are funny  ____________________ Sold: 2003 satin black Yamaha R6
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For every non-EU-approved helmet brought into the UK two baby kittens are mercilessly flatted by a steam roller.
I don't know if our plod are up to speed on helmet approval. They're not all clued-up on the one headlamp on in a twin headlamp bike.
I think as long as you are wearing a helmet they won't bat an eyelid.
But in an accident, your face may be pressed into the helmet and when you awaken from the coma you will look Japanese (But an F-ugly Japanese though.) ____________________ W-ireless A-rtificial L-ifeform L-imited to O-bservation P-eacekeeping and E-fficient R-epair |
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 Posted: 10:20 - 07 Apr 2013 Post subject: Re: Legality of Japanese Helmet (Non ECE) |
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| ElBandido wrote: | The ECE standard is to do with whether or not you can use that helmet on a track |
Lulwut? Are you thinking of ACU?
Here's the law: The Motor Cycles (Protective Helmets) Regulations 1998.
tl;dr - write ECE 22.05 on it, and ride.
If it ever becomes an issue - and it won't - and you really fancy a day in court rather than a £60 non-endorsable fine, then argue that it "is of a type manufactured for use by persons on motor cycles which by virtue of its shape, material and construction could reasonably be expected to afford to the wearer a degree of protection from accidental injury similar to or greater than that provided by a helmet of a type prescribed [by the Regulations]".
Then throw some gang signs to keep it real, yo. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Thanks for the replies, now I'm somewhat reassured about the odds of getting busted.
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Are those studs for a visor? Good luck getting a replacement in a year or so. Why would you want to do this, it's not as though there's a lack of choice in the UK. |
Not planning to use a visor if I can help it, there's a goggle holder on the back so I might go and copy Toecutter's style.
| J.Silvs wrote: | | Quote: | Customer Reviews
Posted by ちゃっぴー0819 on 1/24/12 I will buy a vintage helmet or was at a loss, but I was careless, but the price is cheap, and this helmet may ask a shop for paint by a carry-on with a helmet before a hand does not appear pricewise and purchases it when paint is different from an image and! !The form is the best, too! !I examine the purchase of other colors! !
Posted by ガンダムン0560 on 9/15/11 I think that you may take an appearance and the lightness, but I am sorry that a silver part of the relationship came off. A shield is the best as a demand more if attached!
Posted by a buyer on 3/13/08 I longed for the toe cutter army corps of the mad max, and I wanted you to want a helmet made in BELL company of the 70s, and it was unbearable, but the genuine article was rare for the times and was high and could not reach it, and the replica did not seem to be made too much, and this article made a hit when I looked for it to look for it and rolled it up! As for the form and the size a color (is way of vulgarity rhinoceros Coe of the lam!) ) is perfect, too, but a price is splendid even if I say anything! If, as for the maker stock, rather less みたいなので is at a loss comparatively; atto-...
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Great reviews too lol, what is a rhinoceros Coe of the lam?
The first one is the best |
IIRC that website translates trousers and jeans as 'underwear'... Gods know what they call proper undies.
Once you get a hang of it you can extract the meaning from the gibberish. Second review is complaining that the chrome trim is cheap and rubs off easily. Rhino guy wants to do the Toecutter look and is bemoaning the fact that vintage Bell Moto helmets now sell for $$$ because they've become trendy across the pond and it's hard to find a similar style of helmet that's new and affordable.
| Walloper wrote: | But in an accident, your face may be pressed into the helmet and when you awaken from the coma you will look Japanese (But an F-ugly Japanese though.) |
Being Oriental myself I doubt that would change much. These eyes ain't gonna get any squintier  ____________________ Motorsapien Art |
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that's another point that adds to the confusion. when i was doing my CBT, i was told that you can where a lid from anywhere - it doesn't have to be UK/EU certified.
i had a lid which has the kite mark but is pre-ECE, then i was told what Rogerborg is saying - that my lid HAD TO BE ECE certified. so i bought a new lid, and promptly got told that i need not have got a new lid and could legally ride with my non-ECE lid!
i don't know anymore. just to be safe, i'll stick with ECE certified lids. ____________________ Bike: 2009 Bandit 650 | Licensed since: January 2012 | They stole my valve caps, the scum! |
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No, I'm not saying that. As always, I'd suggest that you read the actual Regulations and decide for yourself.
The BSI kite mark is fine, that's what's actually specified in the Regs. An ECE marked helmet is allowed as an alternative. Pretty much all helmets you buy now will be ECE marked though as that covers them most places in Europe - although I wouldn't be surprised if Ze Germans have some extra TUV bollocks going on.
Then we get to visors, which are covered by a whole different set of regs. IIRC, mine has an "E13" sticker peeling off on it, which means it's ostensibly been approved by, uh... Luxembourg. Technically, when that sticker blows off then it magically becomes un-approved, even though there's no practical way of verifying that it actually passed any testing to begin with.
And I expect that's why there's that surprising bit of common sense in the helmet Regs, although I'm not ruling out a very convenient "infinite monkeys on keyboards" accident. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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nevermind the helmet i like the coke can holder for the handle bars!
p.s i kind off like that helmet :O  ____________________ CBT- 2012 Theory- 18/12/13 Mod 1- 07/01/14 Mod 2- 15/01/14
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Old Thread Alert!
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