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PostPosted: 22:41 - 26 Oct 2015    Post subject: Benifits Cheryl Reply with quote

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Everyone is paying for this ho to have a good life.
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 26 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing like as bad as a guy on my street who openly admits to having fathered 22 kids, has never worked a day in his life yet drives around in a 3 year old BMW and despite not working, is regularly seen towing a burger van round behind his other vehicle (a mitsubishi warrior pickup).

Model citizen.

Appologies for daily mail link but he IS worthy of said publication. He even posed for the photo ffs Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 06:08 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benefits for up to 2 kids then tough shit if you can't afford to clothe and feed any more you might have. She would
have stopped at two or three if the gravy train didn't operate on an "all you can conceive" basis.
This country is fucked, it rewards sperm dumpsters like her whilst simultaneously penalising the productive
to the point that all our brightest stars within the workplace head overseas to avoid disproportionate taxing.
Fucking scummers. I'd support state sponsored neutering of these cockholsters immediately after
birthing child no2 and while they are still under the epidural. It's usually their benefits funded kids that are
the ones in schools causing problems for other people's children who actually wanted their kids.
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PostPosted: 06:40 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loving the adjectives. Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:17 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Explain to me again why migrants are misguided in believing that the UK is a spongers' paradise. Thinking
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about that bitch on telly last night who openly shoplifts to 'top up' her benefits Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they put her inside she would probably cost the taxpayers even more. This way annoyingly, the private sector picks up some
of the tab financing her uselessness. I'd have her shot, but apparently that's an extreme solution. Maybe, but you
can't deny its great VFM compared to the current setup. If they were to cull all the non inputters, the NHS
waiting lists would disappear overnight. Schools would improve for those that want to learn, housing shortage wouldn't
be an issue and there would be more money to give to the elderly that had bothered to work when they were
younger. There would even be enough spare cash to fix the roads. The UK's scummers cost us dearly.
And here we are considering allowing an endless supply of shrieking multiple birthing, uneducated,
sick note claimants that have been raised to hate us in. It beggars belief.
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
Benefits for up to 2 kids then tough shit if you can't afford to clothe and feed any more you might have.


Why pay for those two even?

Now I'll concede that to be fair, some people might have jobs and kids and then lose their jobs and need benefits to get back on their feet (a man can dream).

However, those long-termers who get preggers whilst on benefits..... No, just no.

By taking the bennies you are saying to the world "I cannot look after myself, I'm relying on the theft contributions of others to continue my existence".

How dare you create more kids and a thus a bigger burden on others when you cannot even support your own carcass? It is absolutely disgusting behavior and shouldn't be accepted. As much as I hate state control, I'd support legislation that forces doleys to get rodded/injectable contraception (and dump a load of funding for a male equivalent too), and/or waiver that accepts all state benefits will be withdrawn if the recipient gets pregnant and keeps the kids whilst on benefits.
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
there would be more money to give to the elderly

The problem is demographic though. Geezers need care, for which you need yoofs.

Sadly, you need yoofs willing to actually do care work, and the golden tickets that keep showering from between her fecund thighs will grow up viewing any sort of work[*] as a mug's game, which it increasingly is.


[*] Possible exception for footballer, footballer's cockpuppet, or 'reality' TV star.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its usually pretty obvious who is babyfarming and who is just in need of a helping hand.
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

The problem is demographic though. Geezers need care, for which you need yoofs.


Can we just shoot the elderly too? That alone would see the pensions bill plummet and the cost of the NHS nosedive too.

Paying in pennies and taking out pounds, is just as parasitical IMO as being a doley. In absolutist terms too, the JSA bill is nothing compared to the pensions bill.

ib4 "fort 4 are cuntry", "pade in all there lifes" etc
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Paying in pennies and taking out pounds, is just as parasitical IMO as being a doley.

How do you work that out?
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:
Can we just shoot the elderly too?

Not while we still have democracy. Buggers always turn out to vote.

However, we can kill them on the sly with neglect. Eventually we'll have no choice in the matter, sadly around about when I'm dribbling into my porridge.
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are always going to get shitters in any group, but judging benefits on Daily Fail Articles and channel 4 Documentaries is like judging bikers on the BAK LYF Vice doc.

They are the exception not the rule, getting mad over it is is ridiculous.

I'm grateful for the welfare system, it helped my Mum's, Mum and Dad out, granted he was working (in a shoe factory so I don't imagine great money) however she is one of 5 so council house and I imagine some kind of top up to their income.

It has help one of my best friends who hasn't had an Easy life, getting kicked out at 17/18 after a rough childhood (His sister followed at a similar age) meant he had nowhere to go except the council and benefit, he live off the state for a few years with a mix of temp work and Christmas Temp work. He found if VERY difficult to get work and wouldn't leave him worse off or no different that sitting at home, spunging. He ended up putting himself through a course a colleague to get him into Uni, he got a Degree, and a social worker esq job however various personnel issues lead to lots of debt, and eventually a bit of a breakdown. After he got out of hospital again he was spunging, he sorted himself out and now is working again. He is aiming to get a teaching qualification and become a teacher. I'm glad some of my money has gone to supporting him and picking him up and others like him when through their fault or not they need it.

I was lucky I had great parents who were comfortably off, I lived rent free till I was early twenties, at which point I paid ~£300 for Rent bills and Food Laughing This has enabled me to buy to a 5 bed house (no garage though Laughing ) with my Missus inside the M25 at 28. I'm also fairly certain I'll be given a substantial amount when I move in from them to help kit the place out. I'm under no illusion I am very fortunate, my friend has worked SO much harder than me to get a low wage job and a rented room. I'm not sure I'd like me if I were him.

Unfortunately stories like this don't sell as many papers as MUM OF 1 MILLION STEALS ALL YOUR MONEY.
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
You are always going to get shitters in any group, but judging benefits on Daily Fail Articles and channel 4 Documentaries is like judging bikers on the BAK LYF Vice doc.


My point wasn't aimed at those who claim benefit. Karma

The point is that some who claim benefit do not appreciate what it all means.

There is no way to regulate what these 'breeding' people do with the money they get as benefit. As it is deemed 'degrading' to issue coupons for them to buy the essentials needed. I agree it is a bit degrading to have to hand over coupons instead of cash.

The people highlighted in these documentaries probably don't have the smarts to do the social services maths. They don't understand that they are receiving money that has been taken from other people.
If you were to give them £100/week in benefits and then take £35 off them for Tax Ins. etc they'd still not understand.

They will never get a job as most of the jobs they are 'fit' to do are now done by machines. And are so unreliable a business couldn't manage them.
They could be used to sweep our streets etc. but that would be 'degrading'.
It is easier to pay them to live the life of Riley and then have other people degraded by working all week for the man and have a third of their pay cut to pay for other's luxuries.

Society is a Magical Extravagance.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
They are the exception not the rule, getting mad over it is is ridiculous.

They demonstrate the flaws in the system, and highlight that not all the poor are deserving.

I will get mad that one single penny of the 1/3rd of my earnings ("agrees with MCN shocker") that's stolen from my pocket goes into shovelling oven chips down the throats of any mewling ungrateful parasite.

You should be mad because this baby-farmer is also taking money that could go to your "deserving poor" examples, slogging barefoot through the snow at 4am to get to work, uphill both ways.
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am very grateful for the oven chips, especially cos I buy the fancy McCain Home Chips rather than cheap Lidl imported immigrant potato related products. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boils. My. Piss
Plus that sket isn't even fit!!
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put it this way, one bloke gets caught doing 150mph on the M25 on his R1, knee jerk reactions will be from ban all bikes to moar scameras. It's the same thing, with this a few abuse the system so calls to clamp down are heard.

My mate has asked to borrow money from me a handful of times (always got it back and I've never asked/chased it). Most times I remember were because in going from full time xmas temp to part time/unemployed screwed the system and fucked his money for a period of time. I'm fairly sure he got all the money he thought he was owed however living hand to mouth you can't afford to lose a weeks money.

My friend was fortunate in that many of his friends are more than happy to spot him a bit of cash if he needs. Many would not be in that position so, losing a fortnights money would would be a huge blow. I seem to remember his money was something like £92 a fortnight This was 10ish years ago. If he had to borrow that from a payday loan company it'll probably cost him £20. That is a huge chunk of it to cover for a SNAFU.

I think it is hard to crack down on anyone without affecting people across the board.

The other thing I hear about is capping benefit at x number of sprogs. Nice idea in at first, until you realise you are literally taking food out of poor childrens mouths.

In the long run I think it's like dropping your wallet and chasing the coins rather than the notes. A crack down tax avoidance amongst the rich/multinationals would yield far more money and could be done without the Negative PR you get from fucking the poor. Trouble is it is easier to get the middle classes in a froth about actual people (who they already dislike) it is far easier to demonize them, than a faceless corporation that pay their wages.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spongers to the left of me, tax dodging oxygen thieves to the right and here I am, getting mugged off in the middle.


In all seriousness the book of economics needs to be rewritten, far too many of the populous have been institutionalised to rules of society that we are all sleepwalking into our own misery.

In the meantime everyone point the finger at Jonny 22-IQ for doing much the same as bastard banker to a much smaller scale. Neutral
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

As what point does tax avoidance stop being socially acceptable?
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
As what point does tax avoidance stop being socially acceptable?


When It appears in the media.



Personally I do not blame anyone for avoiding tax, I would if I could. The loopholes that allow it to happen should be closed. A very sweeping statement I do not know how possible this is.
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
As what point does tax avoidance stop being socially acceptable?


16 years ago when I worked wholly in tax. I used to think wow it's rather terrible I'm helping all these people avoid tax.

Over time I think hold on with the way taxes are spent why on earth should I pay my taxes?
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
The other thing I hear about is capping benefit at x number of sprogs. Nice idea in at first, until you realise you are literally taking food out of poor childrens mouths.


I refuse to let myself be held at moral gunpoint by the "muh chilluns" argument. Did I act as a repulsive breeder and shit out kids I couldn't afford? No. Blame for any hardship suffered lies at the feet of the parents.
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
I am very grateful for the oven chips

You're welcome.

And that's how civilised people behave.

Ste wrote:
especially cos I buy the fancy McCain Home Chips rather than cheap Lidl imported immigrant potato related products. Mr. Green

McCains are pretty decent. I'd buy them too if I could afford them. Drooling Crying or Very sad


Ste wrote:
As what point does tax avoidance stop being socially acceptable?

Never. All taxation is theft. That it's done by the biggest mob, who have used their stolen money to buy themselves costumes and fancy titles and write down rules about how much they're going to steal doesn't change the essential dynamic.
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