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andym
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 31 Mar 2013    Post subject: latte coloured oil Reply with quote

And about the same consitency from what I noticed. That's what I get for starting the bike while frozen Embarassed

Silly question though, would 3/4 - 1 mile at absolute maximum 3k rpm be enough to churn up all the oil, as there isn't even a streak of dark that I noticed.

Anyway, I've decided that I can't have 2 bikes with fucked up engines, so I've decided I'm going to scrap the gpz.... just not sure what the value is selling it to a bike breaker (I know I got £150 for my mondeo to a car breaker, so I'm guessing about £50 if I'm lucky?)
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 31 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Temperature is unlikely to change your oil colour, though it will of course make it thicker.

Creamier coloured oil usually means the head gasket has gone. If it a water cooled bike?
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 31 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Break it yourself until you get the money you want, then weigh the rest in?
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 31 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously didn't pay attention at the back....


Pete. wrote:
Check the oil, in case you've popped a core plug in the head.

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PostPosted: 20:20 - 31 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Obviously didn't pay attention at the back....


Pete. wrote:
Check the oil, in case you've popped a core plug in the head.


Partly right Pete, thought I might have got away with it as I could have sworn the oil was black in the sight glass, so my main concern was sorting the cracked thermostat housing first.

Not sure I can be bothered with the hassle of breaking it myself Aff... although I might try fitting the exhaust to the zxr (not sure how much work that would involve though)....
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 31 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oil can emulsify if you just do short runs in damp weather. My car used to do it as it only did 3 miles to work and back, but after a longer run at the weekend, it would be back to normal.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 31 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

zx10r-Alan wrote:
Oil can emulsify if you just do short runs in damp weather. My car used to do it as it only did 3 miles to work and back, but after a longer run at the weekend, it would be back to normal.


This ^ +1
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 31 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

zx10r-Alan wrote:
Oil can emulsify if you just do short runs in damp weather. My car used to do it as it only did 3 miles to work and back, but after a longer run at the weekend, it would be back to normal.


I get this during autumn/winter commuting as I only have to go about 9 miles.
When the engine cools after being warm you get condensation in the sump. If you do a short run then the oil will heat up the water and the hot water will emulsify the oil (make it creamy). On a longer run when the engine gets properly hot, the oil will heat up enough to boil off the water.

As suggested, a long run every now and then will help, although if a lot of the oil is emulsified, I would change the oil.

A head gasket going (in a car) is also hot water (from the block's water jacket) mixing with the oil (from the oil jacket), but in that case it is because the gasket breaking down is allowing them to mix.

I don't think head gaskets going in bikes is as common as it is in cars (but I may be wrong).
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 31 Mar 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

andym wrote:

Partly right Pete, thought I might have got away with it as I could have sworn the oil was black in the sight glass, so my main concern was sorting the cracked thermostat housing first.

Not sure I can be bothered with the hassle of breaking it myself Aff... although I might try fitting the exhaust to the zxr (not sure how much work that would involve though)....


There's no need to break it - you can fix this in a couple of hours.

Drain oil
Drain water
Remove rocker cover
Find popped core plug
Remove cams for access if neccesary otherwise skip this part
Coat core plug in lock&seal (optional)
Tap core plug into hole using drift
Replace cams
Replace rocker cover
Fill water
Fill oil
Run engine
Drain oil and replace with fresh
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 01 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I pulled some oil out of the engine today.... and tried heating some of it for a few minutes:

No it isn't baileys and kahlua:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/andy36586/Oil_zps9cd80fc0.jpg

Now would I be right in thinking that the oil would be warmed up naturally by the engine to boil off the water (in a sense), and if so would I not be able to just do that on the cooker (since both engines need flushed out anyway and would mean only buying 10 litres of oil rather than 20 (well 16 really)
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 01 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, you need to establish the cause of the emulsified oil. Has it used any water from the radiator or expansion bottle? If not, Just change the oil and then take it for a long run to vaporise any water which may still be in the crankcase & sump. If it has used some water, fix that before changing the oil.
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 01 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

zx10r-Alan wrote:
First of all, you need to establish the cause of the emulsified oil. Has it used any water from the radiator or expansion bottle? If not, Just change the oil and then take it for a long run to vaporise any water which may still be in the crankcase & sump. If it has used some water, fix that before changing the oil.


As Pete suggested it could be one of the core plugs that have popped (which I'll check on tomorrow... now that I've found the tools for the job), either that or the head gasket has fucked up big time (although still not sure about the amount of water for the distance travelled), I didn't notice any water missing other than what I lost after cracking the thermostat housing
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PostPosted: 20:24 - 01 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heads can become porous over time. Could be many causes, but if it hasn't used any water, I wouldn't worry too much.
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 01 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

could even be the water pump seal letting water into the sump too, I would start by checking the coolant level first and go from there.
possibly a core plug as Pete says if it has been frozen up.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 01 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It froze and cracked the 'stat housing?

Ill guess its a core plug. Its what they are there for.
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 01 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

andym wrote:
I pulled some oil out of the engine today.... and tried heating some of it for a few minutes:

No it isn't baileys and kahlua:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/andy36586/Oil_zps9cd80fc0.jpg

Now would I be right in thinking that the oil would be warmed up naturally by the engine to boil off the water (in a sense), and if so would I not be able to just do that on the cooker (since both engines need flushed out anyway and would mean only buying 10 litres of oil rather than 20 (well 16 really)


No, the oil/water is an emulsion now you need to replace it.

What jimspeed said is right about the waterpump seal except they normally have two seals and a telltale drain hole between them, that way if the waterpump seal goes the water leaks out instead of mixing with the oil.

Only other thing it might be is the oil cooler, if that bike has a water-cooled oil cooler fitted (like the fireblade).
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 02 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn... thought I might have got away with the oil as a flush.... oh well. The thing I'm wondering about with the core plug is they are screwed in, so not sure they would go that easily.

Oil cooler is a seperate rad. I'll get the valve cover off tomorrow and see what it's like in there, then I'll start looking elsewhere for the problem.

I should be getting the shims for the zxr tomorrow, so hopefully that can go back together, even though I've managed to shave the shims down to .01mm of the recommended sizes... so I might just send the new ones back.

Hopefully it won't be too cold (supposed to be sunny and 8-9 degrees), so I'll get a good few hours on both hopefully
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