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cimbian
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: I know they get a lot of stick... Reply with quote
The old bill are never popular, especially on BCF, but in real-life the bike police have generally turned-out to be alright in my experience.

Whatever your thoughts this is sad news:
https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10331525.Police_motorcyclist_killed_in_road_crash/
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Unmarked police bike, that is an extra reason to be cautious Neutral.
Anyway sad story, my sympathies to the bikers family.
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tungtvann wrote:
Poor BMW.


Bit harsh,for all we know he could of had kids.
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pathetic comments by those above.

R.I.P Officer.
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
illuminateTHEmind wrote:
Unmarked police bike, that is an extra reason to be cautious Neutral.
Anyway sad story, my sympathies to the bikers family.


Nice to see you in a non abusive form Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
R.I.P to the guy.
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 03 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thoughts go out to his family.
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PostPosted: 06:56 - 04 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Of course, RIP, as with any motorcyclist killed but how is this comment relevant?

“This tragic incident highlights the fact that police officers regularly put themselves at risk in performing their duty and in protecting the public."

He wasn't attending a call, he was just riding a bike. He was probably looking out to catch speeding motorists or whatever, hardly protecting the public.
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PostPosted: 07:06 - 04 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
I posted in the other thread before i spotted this one.

Not good Sad

This could be the start of "punishment fits the crime" for drivers who kill bikers IF the CPS do their job properly.
Only then will this death not be a pointless death.

Of course, this is assuming the car driver was at fault.
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PostPosted: 07:19 - 04 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sympathy to the family and stuff, but the link didn't exactly go into detail about what happened other than the bike and BMW collided. Was the bike on the wrong side of the road, did he run into the back of the car, did the car run into the back of him, did someone pull out from a side road in his path because they were too busy on their phone (but it's OK it was on hands free)?
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PostPosted: 07:28 - 04 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tungtvann wrote:
Of course, RIP, as with any motorcyclist killed but how is this comment relevant?

“This tragic incident highlights the fact that police officers regularly put themselves at risk in performing their duty and in protecting the public."

He wasn't attending a call, he was just riding a bike. He was probably looking out to catch speeding motorists or whatever, hardly protecting the public.


If they were all sitting in the police canteen drinking java and only responding to crimes once a crime had already been committed it would be a pretty sad place to be. Surely its better to have the police on the streets looking for crime and being pro-active. also so what if they big up what he was up to, surely it's better for his family to believe that there was at least some reason that he expired on the job and the whole loss of life wasn't completely pointless.
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PostPosted: 07:31 - 04 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
looking at the vid of the clean up it looks like the BMW turned to go into the petrol station on the other side of the road and the bike went into the side of him.

Either way as an unmarked cop bike they will have cameras fitted and running so it should be fairly obvious what happened when they look at those.
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PostPosted: 08:15 - 04 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tungtvann wrote:
Of course, RIP, as with any motorcyclist killed but how is this comment relevant?

“This tragic incident highlights the fact that police officers regularly put themselves at risk in performing their duty and in protecting the public."

He wasn't attending a call, he was just riding a bike. He was probably looking out to catch speeding motorists or whatever, hardly protecting the public.


How do you know what he was doing at the time? You're awfully quick to jump to a conclusion. For all you know he could have been responding to a call and that call could have been to some drugged up tossbags trying to steal and eat a baby.
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 04 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
I wonder since he was a copper the BMW won't just get away with it by saying he didn't see the bike. I'll be surprised if the driver even sets foot in a prison for this tbh, I probably sound like a broken record but murder by car is not taken seriously at all in this country.
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 04 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
I believe the use of unmarked vehicles by the Police is immoral, and completely blows many of the Police arguments out of the water about visible deterrents.


Some years back a unmarked bike hit one of the roundabouts in MK at an estimated 100mph, no pursuit or emergency call was made by the rider and it still remains a mystery as to why he was going that fast, its just a licence for them to jolly.

Looks like this copper was overtaking just before the island and the twat car driver tried to use exit of the garage from the wrong side of the road

Never a good day when anyone dies on the roads!
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PostPosted: 08:30 - 04 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
UnknownStuntman wrote:


How do you know what he was doing at the time?





The Daily Echo wrote:
The tragedy happened at around 2pm, when the officer, who was not in a pursuit at the time or responding to a 999 call


I would hope that they have checked this claim
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PostPosted: 08:54 - 04 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Eggs Benedict wrote:
I would hope that they have checked this claim


So you'd trust the press to do that, would you? I wouldn't. Never let the truth get in the way of a story etc.

I'm not saying it was either way - I'm surprised at how quick people are to just around on people's graves.
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PostPosted: 09:06 - 04 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Radis wrote:
looking at the vid of the clean up it looks like the BMW turned to go into the petrol station on the other side of the road and the bike went into the side of him.

Either way as an unmarked cop bike they will have cameras fitted and running so it should be fairly obvious what happened when they look at those.


Smidsy if ever I've seen one.
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 04 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
matlow wrote:
If they were all sitting in the police canteen drinking java and only responding to crimes once a crime had already been committed it would be a pretty sad place to be.


Quite amusing that you mention this.

Gwent Police are now so short staffed that if you phone them up to report you are being assaulted they ask if you know the person. If the answer is yes they then ask you to make an appointment to make a complaint rather than coming out to stop the assault.

Last summer my bins were stolen and set alight and the arsonists were standing around the fire. The Fire brigade responded and were rather annoyed that the Police didn't even though the arsonists were pissed and behaving in a violent fashion. The Fire brigade reported that the Police in the area no longer considered arson a serious matter. Was especially amusing as the Police were running a one month campaign at the time to stop forest fires and they were burning the bins in a forest yet wouldn't attend.
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 04 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:

Quite amusing that you mention this.

Gwent Police are now so short staffed that if you phone them up to report you are being assaulted they ask if you know the person. If the answer is yes they then ask you to make an appointment to make a complaint rather than coming out to stop the assault.

Last summer my bins were stolen and set alight and the arsonists were standing around the fire. The Fire brigade responded and were rather annoyed that the Police didn't even though the arsonists were pissed and behaving in a violent fashion. The Fire brigade reported that the Police in the area no longer considered arson a serious matter. Was especially amusing as the Police were running a one month campaign at the time to stop forest fires and they were burning the bins in a forest yet wouldn't attend.


Is it any wonder why people end up taking the law in to their own hands?
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 04 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Irn-Bru wrote:
I wonder since he was a copper the BMW won't just get away with it by saying he didn't see the bike. I'll be surprised if the driver even sets foot in a prison for this tbh, I probably sound like a broken record but murder by car is not taken seriously at all in this country.


I sympathise with your comments regarding the relatively weak sentencing we see, but murder requires that the attacker intended to kill.

Manslaughter is basically an attack that resulted in death but was not intended.

Misadventure implies the death is the result of an accident.

In the case of a SMIDSY, which this may or may not have been, it will likely be considered an accident or, at worst, negligent. Neither comprise murder and is probably also true in most fatal RTAs.

Unless the driver (assuming a SMIDSY) was somehow unfit my guess is it will go down as an accident.
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I have seen a marked BMW police bike underneath a silver Merc near Brands Hatch the other year.There were swarms of police all over the place investigating the circumstances.So,if the police are that highly trained how come we still hear about these accidents.We are often preached to that we need extra training to be able to foresee these occurances.Even a top qualified bike instructor was killed in a bike/car accident a few years ago.

Another question of mine would be to ask if there was as much effort put into investigating a member of the publics accident as was in the deceased officers.A few years ago a good friend was involved in a very serious bike/car accident and the police had everything cleared away within two hours.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 04 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just another rider down, no need to post a thread about it unless we know them IMO, don't see why everyone feels the need to post about riders being killed, i'm sure on car forums people don't do the same with car accidents. I guess it's just the brotherly love.

RIP I guess Thumbs Up
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