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PostPosted: 11:15 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Oil - possibly a stupid question Reply with quote

Hi all,

a quick question.
Is there any reason why I can't put car oil (10/40) in my ZX6R?

cheers

John
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes and no Thumbs Up

One camp says not to as the car oil has extra slip qualities that bike clutches do not like..

The other camp says feck it and use any oil ...
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a bog standard semi-synthetic 10w40 (Comma Euro something or other) in my Hornet. No problems at all.
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use whatever, change it more frequently.
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beware of some oil, if your engine's got magnesium parts then you shouldn't use certain oil, but other than that, the only thing you should care of is the clutch, if you've got dry clutch, which I do believe you don't, then it does not matter, but be careful about the magnesium parts of the engine. Thumbs Up

It does not matter what oil you use, in general ,,the sport super awesome, even rossi uses that oil'' is just a waste of money.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I've heard is to make sure it doesn't have friction modifiers. Things like Magnatec are bad for a wet clutch.

So I hear.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snorty wrote:
What I've heard is to make sure it doesn't have friction modifiers. Things like Magnatec are bad for a wet clutch.

So I hear.


also heard the same, just buy the grade specified in your manual.
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Opie oils are a good source for reasonably priced car/bike oils and they give a discount to bikechatforum users which I like!

https://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-338-motorcycles.aspx
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
Use whatever, change it more frequently.

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PostPosted: 14:56 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

depends on your bike. some engines call for race spec or fully synthetic due to temperatures or wet vs dry clutch
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is what I use

from asda £20.00
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
this is what I use

from asda £20.00


I use the same. But not from your bottle> I buy my own Razz


in the Katoom fully synthetic Motorex.
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Re: Oil - possibly a stupid question Reply with quote

Neepling wrote:
Hi all,

a quick question.
Is there any reason why I can't put car oil (10/40) in my ZX6R?

cheers

John


No reason at all. I do. No clutch slippage in over 15 years of putting it in bikes.
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a read.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't people just use the oil that the manufacturer specifies? If you want to try using the wrong specification oil, why don't you also try filling the bike with the wrong specification of fuel, like diesel.
Try hydraulic oil in the engine, you'll save a couple of pound on the price of a gallon of oil, who cares that it'll cost you hundreds of pounds repairing the engine.
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bike manual just specifies SG grade 10-40. Nothing about bike specific oil, and I'm fairly sure most bikes would be the same (at least pre 2000)
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

moppy wrote:
My bike manual just specifies SG grade 10-40. Nothing about bike specific oil, and I'm fairly sure most bikes would be the same (at least pre 2000)

SF or SG are bike specific oil classifications. It doesn't need to say 'bike oil' on the bottle, provided it meets the classification stated in the owners manual.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_oil
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would you want to put a car oil in a bike. One has a dry clutch and one has a wet clutch and the oils are tailored to suit.
If you want take all the advice of the ones who've done it and 'never had a problem' or do what the people who build and design them say and use the right oil. It doesn't really come down to cost its just a case of getting an arse into gear and going out and getting the right stuff. there is a difference.

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PostPosted: 23:04 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

zx10r-Alan wrote:
moppy wrote:
My bike manual just specifies SG grade 10-40. Nothing about bike specific oil, and I'm fairly sure most bikes would be the same (at least pre 2000)

SF or SG are bike specific oil classifications. It doesn't need to say 'bike oil' on the bottle, provided it meets the classification stated in the owners manual.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_oil
No they're not.
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

moppy wrote:
No they're not.

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Motorcycle oil

The API oil classification structure has eliminated specific support for wet-clutch motorcycle applications in their descriptors, and API SJ and newer oils are referred to be specific to automobile and light truck use. Accordingly, motorcycle oils are subject to their own unique standards. As discussed above, motorcycle oils commonly still use the obsolescent SF/SG standard.
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old Git Racing wrote:
Why would you want to put a car oil in a bike. One has a dry clutch and one has a wet clutch and the oils are tailored to suit.
If you want take all the advice of the ones who've done it and 'never had a problem' or do what the people who build and design them say and use the right oil. It doesn't really come down to cost its just a case of getting an arse into gear and going out and getting the right stuff. there is a difference.

OGR


I wonder how wet clutch bikes managed for all those years before bike specific oils came along and saved the day then.
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:

I wonder how wet clutch bikes managed for all those years before bike specific oils came along and saved the day then.

Its less about oil becoming bike specific, more about car oils becoming less compatible with wet clutches due to added friction reducers. I'm sure if you could find some Valvoline 20/50 from the 70's, it would be fine.
Its quite worrying how many people change their own oil and have no idea how many different grades and classifications of oil there are, and simply buy based on price or what someone in the pub said they can use.
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
Old Git Racing wrote:
Why would you want to put a car oil in a bike. One has a dry clutch and one has a wet clutch and the oils are tailored to suit.
If you want take all the advice of the ones who've done it and 'never had a problem' or do what the people who build and design them say and use the right oil. It doesn't really come down to cost its just a case of getting an arse into gear and going out and getting the right stuff. there is a difference.

OGR


I wonder how wet clutch bikes managed for all those years before bike specific oils came along and saved the day then.


Maybe bike oil got more popular when they started putting molybdenum disulfide in car oil.
Heard it eats wet clutches.

II buy oil from hein gericke. Rebadged motul oil and a free filter.
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 21 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not just the clutch. Remember that bike oil has to protect the gearbox as well, which isn't the case with a lot of cars.

Put it this way, the oil company i work for have a specific list of oils that we must use on every piece of machinery on ship, whether it be turbine, diesel, compressor, etc. They don't say 'Use what you want, it's all the same'.

In the end it's your choice, Use what you want in your bike, but personally I don't see the point of ignoring what the people who make the product say.
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PostPosted: 05:49 - 22 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
I don't see the point of ignoring what the people who make the product say.


But they've got a vested interest in selling more of their product - so if there's any way they can suggest to a potential buyer that their product be more suitable for one purpose or another they will likely accentuate that claim. That's simply what people who make products do, have always done, and will always do.
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