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PostPosted: 15:53 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: GRAVEL....NOOOOO! Reply with quote

Well you better believe it, all round my area they have ripped up the roads again and chucked a fuck ton of gravel down!!! nearly came off earlier today! They did the same thing last year when we got a bit of descent weather, thought they wouldnt be aloud to do it again as it caused a bit of uproar.
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where do you live? They keep doing this in Southampton Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't they just build a decent road in the first instance? Then they won't need to keep coming back and throwing shit on it each year.
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why don't they just build a decent road in the first instance? Then they won't need to keep coming back and throwing shit on it each year.


Why don't the make tyres that don't wear.

Things wear down, weather and usage. You go make a road, let me know how you get on Thumbs Up Wink


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PostPosted: 16:25 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

They did this last year around here, it has now all come up and has left slick tar patches where it was stuck to.

I'm not joking, EVERY road they've resurfaced this way has now come back up...
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why wont they use the same stuff they make speed humps out of for roads. Our local roads are now a motocross curcuit, bombhole roads with the added fun of the humps. The humps never break up.
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
c-m wrote:
Why don't they just build a decent road in the first instance? Then they won't need to keep coming back and throwing shit on it each year.


Why don't the make tyres that don't wear.

Things wear down, weather and usage. You go make a road, let me know how you get on Thumbs Up Wink


Eh?? Round here there seem to be two ways of surfacing roads. One - coat with tar and shovel shit loads of chippings on. Make some gestural attempt to get them to stick.

Two - do it properly, with a strong and smooth surface.
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
c-m wrote:
Why don't they just build a decent road in the first instance? Then they won't need to keep coming back and throwing shit on it each year.


Why don't the make tyres that don't wear.

Things wear down, weather and usage. You go make a road, let me know how you get on Thumbs Up Wink


A road should last well over five years. Not 1 year.

In fact a road with only 5 years left is described as being in poor condition.

20% of UK roads are currently in this state.

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Local authorities are responsible for 95% of the country's roads. The AIA said 20% of local roads were reported as being in "poor condition", which is defined as having five years or less life remaining.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seem to remember reading that the agency which deals with UK's roads have been cutting costs massively and using really cheap components resulting in roads falling apart within a year. If they'd just spend a lot to begin with it'd pay itself off over the years extra it'd last.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Report it to your local council before you bin it?

The roads round here look like a Top Gear Elbonian Outback Special; my friendly garage reckon that dealing with shagged suspension and wheels constitute the majority of their work now. Mad
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

They seem to be resurfacing all the roads around Enfield and doing a lovely job of it, should stay pristine and safe for ten years. Doing a crappy job of it is a false economy.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gravel roads are the most awesome technical riding you can do. Stop whinging and get off the tar. Open the throttle stand on the pegs and feel the bike move around underneath you. You won't want to ride tar again
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 23 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seigi wrote:
I seem to remember reading that the agency which deals with UK's roads have been cutting costs massively and using really cheap components resulting in roads falling apart within a year. If they'd just spend a lot to begin with it'd pay itself off over the years extra it'd last.


Are you referring to the Highways Agency? If so that isn't true..

I work for Amey that maintains the trunk roads and motorways in Area 9:

https://www.highways.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/outline-area-map.gif?9d7bd4https://images.highways.gov.uk.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/area9.gif

We survey these roads, and put design briefs forward to the HA for bidding. They get money from the government that gets allocated for various parts of the country's road network, ours being the actual road.

The gravel stuff you're referring to is an extremely cheap surface dressing. It's literally like slapping some heavy duty paint on top of a cracked, damaged wall. They lay down a layer of bitumen (not tar) then a layer of fine stone is pressed into it. Many problems with this:

1. The treatment isn't deep enough. A road on our network with cracks, ruts, depressions and pot holes would have at the very least 40mm removed and relayed, and that would consist of a proper bitumen with the correct stone aggregate.

2. It's rushed. Road treatments need time to cure and no sooner has the road 'set', often prior to this, cars and regular traffic are allowed back on it.

Council roads suck, they're so reluctant to spend any amount of money on them, the most you can hope for is if you smash a rim in a pot hole, fly over your handlebars in a flaming ball of fire into a school playground, they might just be willing to dump a bucketload of instant tarmac in it in the next 6 months.

It's a shambles really, at least we do the trunk roads properly..
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PostPosted: 07:32 - 24 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

round here some roads are much much worse than others, I think it's the council roads that are terrible, the A19 between work and home (about 20 miles) has zero pot holes in it and i beleive the maintenance is a private company?

However the standard streets around here are absolutely covered in potholes, and when they do patch them they do such a terrible job they either become potholes again in a week or they are solid overfilled lumps sticking out of the road
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PostPosted: 07:41 - 24 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mussolini had the right idea for this kind of rip-off.
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PostPosted: 07:50 - 24 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to work in the same office as the Highways Engineers for Kent.

Useless fucks. Mad

Recently they've just lost the contract to Amey...Lets see how we get on now.
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 24 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

One road on my commute was bodged with bitumen and loose gravel in September last year. The bodge is in need of re bodging in many areas. Reminds me I better report it via fixmystreet, again. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 24 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the country road near me they dumped gravel down, literally, was just a mass of loose gravel, it's mostly been mashed into the road by cars now but I still take it easy round there

stupid idea if you ask me, especially on a NSL country road where bikes frequent
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 24 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm puzzled as why TPTB don't use textured concrete.

I remember the 80s (maybe the 90s) around Birmingham they had this 'experimental road surface' which was essentially textured concrete.

I mean airport taxiways are made out of it and they seem to be just big slabs of concrete sealed with bits of rubber.

I mean when they want to 'dig up the road' they can just lift them like big paving slabs bury new cable, gas pipe or whatever and then just put it back and has a very long life.
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PostPosted: 08:54 - 24 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:
I'm puzzled as why TPTB don't use textured concrete.

I remember the 80s (maybe the 90s) around Birmingham they had this 'experimental road surface' which was essentially textured concrete.

I mean airport taxiways are made out of it and they seem to be just big slabs of concrete sealed with bits of rubber.

I mean when they want to 'dig up the road' they can just lift them like big paving slabs bury new cable, gas pipe or whatever and then just put it back and has a very long life.

Like this shit? https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=brook+road+leicester&hl=en&ll=52.640655,-1.058378&spn=0.010534,0.01929&sll=55.829616,-4.207177&sspn=0.623989,1.234589&hnear=Brook+Rd,+Leicester,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=52.641435,-1.059657&panoid=wi1XivSFPN3BC9Iryr7lvw&cbp=12,25.43,,1,18.07

They're the worst roads of the lot, i'm guessing the one you're referring to is a better version, but these roads are fucked
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 24 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If we had portable cold-fusion reactors we could have driveable rigs that would melt the road by way of repairing it.
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PostPosted: 08:59 - 24 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If we had portable cold-fusion reactors we could have driveable rigs that would melt the road by way of repairing it.


If we had portable cold fusion reactors we wouldn't need roads. I'd expect air corridors though, I imagine the observations for 3d traffic jams where there people can cut you up from above and below would be amusing.
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 24 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatpies wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
If we had portable cold-fusion reactors we could have driveable rigs that would melt the road by way of repairing it.


If we had portable cold fusion reactors we wouldn't need roads. I'd expect air corridors though, I imagine the observations for 3d traffic jams where there people can cut you up from above and below would be amusing.


Do you really think everyone currently driving a car (a 2D experience) would be able to cope with air-borne travel (a 3D experience)? Not without very sophisticated computer assistance...as in totally hands-off automated. Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 24 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you really think everyone currently driving a car (a 2D experience) would be able to cope with air-borne travel (a 3D experience)? Not without very sophisticated computer assistance...as in totally hands-off automated. Laughing


I have found riding a M/C to be a 3D experience on occaision. So far nothing broken (me anyway)
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 24 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Do you really think everyone currently driving a car (a 2D experience) would be able to cope with air-borne travel (a 3D experience)? Not without very sophisticated computer assistance...as in totally hands-off automated. Laughing


Not sure...


It might be an indicator that the biggest killer of wing pilots (skydivers and paragliders) is colliding with other people on landing pattern. This is slow 5-15mph stuff, (petras can land at 45mph). Almost every fatal last year was due to this.
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