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callum94
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Trip to Scotland on a 125cc Scooter Reply with quote

Hi guys.

I have a full bike licence and next Wednesday I will be receiving my new 125cc scooter (I bought it just because of fuel prices but will still use my GS500 most of the time), anyway next summer holiday I will be taking a trip to the far end of Scotland (A893) where there is a nice hotel and lots of quiet roads and then head home (I live in Aldershot). I'm taking this trip to get away from all the madness for about 2 weeks lol so I will be on my own.

About 300miles in I am stopping at my grand parents for about 2 days who live in Ingleton in County Durham (to let me and my bike recover) then off for the last 450+miles (and lot's of breaks)

Just wandering on your views and opinions (no I’m not doing this on a bigger cc bike and my scooter will have a gear up kit + a few other mods to reduce strain) I just want to do this as a once in a lifetime experience (mums not too happy about it though).

Also I have planned my route a long time in advance and have planned lot's of twisties and minimal dual carriageways (no motorways) + a few B&B's.

I know I'm going to get loads of hate for this but this will be a trip I will never forget (literally).
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wanted to do the trip to Spain on my 125 geared bike, a scooter wouldn't be too fun..

I think you would be more comfortable on an up geared GS500..
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who takes the depreciation hit on a new scooter to save a bit of fuel Confused

Pretty moronic.
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Re: Trip to Scotland on a 125cc Scooter Reply with quote

callum94 wrote:
scooty stuff.


Good for you , do it Thumbs Up .

Then come back and tell us all about it + pictures
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's probably faster than my Enfield.
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I toured Scotland on my SH300, a 280cc scooter, during the late summer (i.e. incredibly wet), as part of my anti-clockwise tour of GB. You won't get hate from me.

Easiest way to load up a scooter beyond a top box is soft throw-over panniers on the pillion seat. Strapping stuff to the pillion seat is another option, but slightly problematic if the fuel cap is underneath the seat.

I stayed in hotels and B&Bs along the way - they were cheap enough, particularly since it wasn't exactly high season weather. I kept my packing light; light enough to fit entirely in my top-box and a few bits and pieces under the seat, which is very small on the SH300. Not much more than changes of underwear, since I spent all day in my riding gear (I wore a two-piece leather suit, complete with knee sliders, as I was breaking it in).

One thing to watch out for is petrol stops. I was using a GPS to plan my route, but the petrol stations it had in its POI database were frequently long closed. There were a couple of times I had to limp into a town and just about reach some petrol; and one time where I had to turn around and trek 30 miles backwards because I realized I wouldn't have enough juice to make it to the next station. Beware that some distances may look fairly short on a map, but because you're following the coast, they end up 2x or more longer. Check routes in Google Maps or similar to verify distances.

I saw a couple of other people touring on Vespas when I was out there. On the narrower country roads (single lane with passing places), you can't really safely go faster than a 125 can go anyway. There were a few good roads where I felt the limitations of the SH300, where I scraped the centerstand even while leaning off quite a bit, but it was mostly very wet so I was usually dialing it right back.

An advantage of doing a tour like that on a scooter is that the wet weather is slightly less of an impediment - you have more rain protection when going through puddles, for example - and you have less torque to slip out the rear. My SH300 has ABS, and it came in useful a couple of times. You tend to take in the scenery more on a scooter too, and narrow steep roads are a lot less daunting - it's easy to turn a scooter around in very limited space without dropping it, not so easy on a 200kg top-heavy bike.

Some photos:

https://i.imgur.com/R1PH7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/YpZ0V.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/j9Iuk.jpg
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

GO for it !! You dont need a GS or Goldwing to go touring !! and be sure to take loads of photos to share here Smile have a great trip.
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callum94
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys for the encouraging and positive comments.

stinkwheel [quote] I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles [quote]

I just read your post and it seemed like you had a great time Thumbs Up



barkell. [quote] You tend to take in the scenery more on a scooter too [quote]

That's exactly what I intend to do, but when I get to the hotel I will dump everything in my room and then head out looking for safe good roads to pick up the speed a bit. Also seemed like you had a great time and thanks for the advice, great pictures.



Also by summer I should have a GoPro or Drift HD so expect a lot of footage on youtube + I will also upload a lot of pictures on here.
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 28 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go for it! The guy I done my CBT with was setting off around Scotland on his ped only a few days after passing.

My folks werent too happy either when I went touring for the first time, just as long as I phoned every night to make sure i was ok Mr. Green

Pics are good Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 29 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

fraser2312 wrote:
Go for it! The guy I done my CBT with was setting off around Scotland on his ped only a few days after passing.

My folks werent too happy either when I went touring for the first time, just as long as I phoned every night to make sure i was ok Mr. Green

Pics are good Very Happy


Haha I might also have to phone them but not everynight.
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 31 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not intending to criticise but just one question and some take it or leave it advice.

You've got a GS500, why would you even consider doing it on a 125cc scooter?

You will barely be able to keep up with traffic, you'll be at the mercy of the slightest breeze. Every lorry, bus and anything else that wants to overtake you, will with little regard for your safety. I have been riding for over 35 years and while I don't claim to know everything, I do know that riding slower than the flow of traffic on a small motorcycle is far more dangerous and unpleasant than riding quicker than it.

Do yourself a favour, flog the scooter and use the money for fuel for a bike more suited to the task.
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 31 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enduro Numpty wrote:
Do yourself a favour, flog the scooter and use the money for fuel for a bike more suited to the task.


Or ignore.

Yeah, you'll be screwed if it gets windy, but in the summer you should be fairly ok.
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 31 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enduro Numpty wrote:
You will barely be able to keep up with traffic, you'll be at the mercy of the slightest breeze.


This depends on the roads he's doing. The roads I was doing, the cars seldom got over 30mph, because they were mostly single track with passing places - and cars were sometimes helpful in pulling over so I could overtake on my scooter.

That's one of the advantages of touring on a scooter - you tend not to stick to fast roads, and you get to see more while you're at it. Looking at touring on a scooter through the lens of a big bike is the wrong way to approach it, IMO. You ride differently, and on different roads, on a scooter. Takes more planning though.

Of course, my scooter can do well over 80, so I was overtaking on the fast roads too.
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 31 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use these for motivation Thumbs Up

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Do yourself a favour, flog the scooter and use the money for fuel for a bike more suited to the task.


And

https://www.thepostman.org.uk/
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 31 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Enduro Numpty wrote:
Do yourself a favour, flog the scooter and use the money for fuel for a bike more suited to the task.


Or ignore.

Yeah, you'll be screwed if it gets windy, but in the summer you should be fairly ok.


No you won't be ok in the summer. A 125 is gutless in any season, just because it's summer doesn't mean Scottish weather will be good. I've lived here all my life and it is more often than not, lousy.
Didn't say it couldn't be done but just why would you? There are advantages about riding motorcycles as opposed to cars. Number one is power to weight ratio and a 125cc scooter just doesn't cut it, believe me, I've done long distances on small bikes (larger than you're planning) and it's just crap. You will probably get there, you probably won't get flattened by the trucks, buses and caravan towing sad types that plague Scottish roads in summer but you'll have a lot less fun than on a bigger bike. If all you can afford to do it on is a 125 then fair enough but if you have a choice then make the right one.

Whatever way you decide to do it, I hope you have a great time.
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 31 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was going to Spain on my 125.

I would travel everywhere on my 125, its enough power for the road.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 31 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will be doing the same trip as you this summer, on a Honda 125 Swing scooter, go for it.
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 31 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
I was going to Spain on my 125.

I would travel everywhere on my 125, its enough power for the road.


Can't really argue with that. If you're happy why not, but wouldn't you be happier on a bigger bike?

I've had bikes for all my adult life and the biggest single factor that keeps me interested is the power. I appreciate that not everyone is in a position to own or even want powerful bikes but given the choice, what reason would you have for riding long distances on a low powered bike? Not trying to criticise or put a downer on anyones plans but it just doesn't make any sense to me riding long distances on a 125 when you have a choice.

The journey itself will be the most memorable part of any trip and the journey will be much more memorable if you're slightly more in control. On a 125 your overtaking ability will be limited and will be inherently more dangerous than on a more poweful bike, you'll breathe in someone elses exhaust fumes much of the time and as I said before you're at the mercy of whoever wants to pass you in whatever manner they choose.

Maybe I'm just a boring old fart, maybe fast is the new slow? Wink
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 31 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commute 60 miles a day on a 125 with a 400 and 2 600s chilling at home.

Its cheap, does 70 and costs nothing to run.

Easy win.
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 31 Dec 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enduro Numpty wrote:
You will barely be able to keep up with traffic, you'll be at the mercy of the slightest breeze. Every lorry, bus and anything else that wants to overtake you, will with little regard for your safety. I have been riding for over 35 years and while I don't claim to know everything, I do know that riding slower than the flow of traffic on a small motorcycle is far more dangerous and unpleasant than riding quicker than it.


I do understand what you are saying, but most of the roads I will be taking you would not want to go faster than 50mph anyway. Also I only weigh 8.6st so 125cc + 50cc motorcycles have always been faster for me.

I once had a ''chinese'' Sukida 125 and I could race a Yamaha YZF-R125 and we would be equal up to about 60mph. My 0-60 time was 14.5 seconds. The look on the guys face when we got to college Shocked
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PostPosted: 00:15 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

nighthawk250 wrote:
I will be doing the same trip as you this summer, on a Honda 125 Swing scooter, go for it.


Awesome, have a great time to. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:25 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

callum94 wrote:
I once had a ''chinese'' Sukida 125 and I could race a Yamaha YZF-R125 and we would be equal up to about 60mph. My 0-60 time was 14.5 seconds.


Quite unlikely then.

I have outpaced a YZF R125 on the Vara, just. It edges past. That does to 60 in like 9-10secs
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PostPosted: 01:39 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's possible to go anywhere on anything.
Somebody went round the world on a Triumph Tiger.
A mate of mine went round Europe on a C90.
Folks have went round the world on bicycles and....

didn't some weirdo crawl across the US on his hands and knees? Shocked
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
I have outpaced a YZF R125 on the Vara, just. It edges past. That does to 60 in like 9-10secs


Your Varadero does 0-60 in about 9-10 seconds? WOW thats fast, even for a 125cc. Usually the YZF-R125 does 0-60 between 12-16seconds depending who is riding the bike (conditions, downhill, etc)

The fastest I've ever seen a YZF-R125 get to 60 was my friend who got 11 seconds, but that was a steep downhill and with a strong tail wind.
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 01 Jan 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll have to GoPro it when I can. Thumbs Up
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