Resend my activation email : Register : Log in 
BCF: Bike Chat Forums


Torque Wrench

Reply to topic
Bike Chat Forums Index -> The Workshop
View previous topic : View next topic  
Author Message

-Matt-
World Chat Champion



Joined: 28 Apr 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:13 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Torque Wrench Reply with quote

Hi.

Im just starting to begin doing my own servicing having relied on garages upto now. Ive been getting a collection of tools together including a torque wrench (28-210nm range). Would this do the job for tightening to 24-26nm as various bolts on my bike are requiring or would tightening to 28nm be too much/inaccurate being the bottom of the wrenchs range.

I know a lot of people tighten the lower torques by feel but at the stage im at mechanically and for peace of mind id prefer to wrench them for now. Just want to see if i can avoid needing to get a 5-25nm wrench as its not cheap Sad and most of the lower end im happy to do by feel.

Thanks for any advice people have. Apologies for the beginner questions Embarassed
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Islander
World Chat Champion



Joined: 05 Aug 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:41 - 28 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick reply - No. The minimum setting is the minimum.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

-Matt-
World Chat Champion



Joined: 28 Apr 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 00:36 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: wrench Reply with quote

Was worried that might be the case Rolling Eyes looks like i need to invest in a second wrench Laughing thanks
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

RhynoCZ
Super Spammer



Joined: 09 Mar 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 08:55 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only job you should do with a torque wrench is tightening the head back to it's place or getting the crank case back together. Other then that is useless piece of equipment + lot's of those are not calibrated right.
____________________
'87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
'95 Mercedes-Benz w202 C200 CGI, '98 Mercedes-Benz w210 E200 Kompressor
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Islander
World Chat Champion



Joined: 05 Aug 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 09:08 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd disagree with that. Apart from learning how much torque to apply by feel using a torque wrench, it's useful for tightening things like sump drain plugs, oil filter bolts and other things that may be stripped or damaged by over tightening or be dangerous if under tightened. The aren't just for head and crankcase bolts by any means.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

sickpup
Old Timer



Joined: 21 Apr 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 09:08 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
The only job you should do with a torque wrench is tightening the head back to it's place or getting the crank case back together. Other then that is useless piece of equipment + lot's of those are not calibrated right.


I am so glad you will never ever work on one of my bikes.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

-Matt-
World Chat Champion



Joined: 28 Apr 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 09:20 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: torque Reply with quote

I probably am being a bit perfectionist wanting to torque it all but particularly as im quite new to working on my bike i figure ill play it extra safe for now at least Laughing

Got a new wrench now so ive got 8-100nm and 28-240nm wrenches
Is there much truth in most wrenches bottom 20% of their range being quite inaccurate or was this the case with older wrenches if anyone knows?

Thanks for the opinions and advice all
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

-Matt-
World Chat Champion



Joined: 28 Apr 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 09:21 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: torque Reply with quote

Double posted sorry Embarassed

Last edited by -Matt- on 16:15 - 29 Apr 2013; edited 1 time in total
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

cimbian
World Chat Champion



Joined: 27 Sep 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 09:51 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Re: torque Reply with quote

eitematt wrote:


Got a new wrench now so ive got 8-100nm and 28-240nm wrenches


Damn they're small!

Need to get something a tad longer to apply any meaningful force. Wink Laughing Laughing Laughing
____________________
22PlusY
Current: Moto Guzzi 1100 Breva. Previous: Honda XL650V TransAlp
Bearded, Balding, Born again Buddhist Biker
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

Islander
World Chat Champion



Joined: 05 Aug 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 09:59 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Re: torque Reply with quote

eitematt wrote:
I probably am being a bit perfectionist wanting to torque it all but particularly as im quite new to working on my bike i figure ill play it extra safe for now at least Laughing

Got a new wrench now so ive got 8-100nm and 28-240nm wrenches
Is there much truth in most wrenches bottom 20% of their range being quite inaccurate or was this the case with older wrenches if anyone knows?

Thanks for the opinions and advice all


There should have been a calibration test sheet in with the torque wrench which will tell you how it performed. Stick with the manufacturer's instructions, always return it to its lowest setting after use and only use it for final tightening and they should be fine. Thumbs Up
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Islander
World Chat Champion



Joined: 05 Aug 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 10:04 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Re: torque Reply with quote

cimbian wrote:
eitematt wrote:


Got a new wrench now so ive got 8-100nm and 28-240nm wrenches


Damn they're small!

Need to get something a tad longer to apply any meaningful force. Wink Laughing Laughing Laughing


I see what you did there... Laughing
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Fizzer Thou
World Chat Champion



Joined: 06 Aug 2011
Karma :

PostPosted: 11:03 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Re: torque Reply with quote

eitematt wrote:
I probably am being a bit perfectionist wanting to torque it all but particularly as im quite new to working on my bike i figure ill play it extra safe for now at least Laughing

Got a new wrench now so ive got 8-100nm and 28-240nm wrenches
Is there much truth in most wrenches bottom 20% of their range being quite inaccurate or was this the case with older wrenches if anyone knows?

Thanks for the opinions and advice all


A friend who works on the high speed Chunnel trains calibrates my torque wrenches at work for me as well as his own.When he does so,he asks me which range I use the most when using the 3/8" drive wrench,to which I suggest only the lower to mid-range, and so calibrates the tool to be most accurate in that range.I then use the bigger 1/2" torque wrench for the bigger Nm settings.
____________________
Just talk bikes.What else is there?

Always have a 'Plan B'
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Polarbear
Super Spammer



Joined: 24 Feb 2007
Karma :

PostPosted: 12:12 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Re: torque Reply with quote

eitematt wrote:
I probably am being a bit perfectionist wanting to torque it all but particularly as im quite new to working on my bike i figure ill play it extra safe for now at least Laughing

Got a new wrench now so ive got 8-100nm and 28-240nm wrenches
Is there much truth in most wrenches bottom 20% of their range being quite inaccurate or was this the case with older wrenches if anyone knows?

Thanks for the opinions and advice all


Even though cheaper torque wrenches may not be very accurate, they are better than guess work. In my job I find most of my engineer cadets over tighten everything, even up to the point of stripping small nuts and bolts.

Use a torque wrench, manufacturers don't issue torque settings for fun. Thumbs Up
____________________
Triumph Trophy Launch Edition
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

.....
Quote Me Happy



Joined: 15 Jan 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 12:55 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's nothing more satisfying than the click of a torque wrench.

I did an oil and filter change yesterday and the tightening torque of the bolts ranged from 10Nm to 30Nm. If I was doing it by feel I'd have probably over tightened the 10Nm and under tightened the 30Nm.

However, if it feels wrong, just double check you've got the right setting for the thing you're doing up, don't learn the hard way Embarassed
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

RhynoCZ
Super Spammer



Joined: 09 Mar 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 14:32 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My mate told me how to tighten bolts, screws, nuts and where should I be careful, and so far everything I did on any bike works just fine.
____________________
'87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
'95 Mercedes-Benz w202 C200 CGI, '98 Mercedes-Benz w210 E200 Kompressor
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Islander
World Chat Champion



Joined: 05 Aug 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 14:37 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
My mate told me how to tighten bolts, screws, nuts and where should I be careful, and so far everything I did on any bike works just fine.


Oh well that's all right then. Rolling Eyes
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

SQL
World Chat Champion



Joined: 09 Aug 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 14:51 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't even own a torque wrench, just make it tight ... unless its case or head bolts.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

pikey666
Borekit Bruiser



Joined: 18 Jan 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:19 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

those seem like a pretty wide range for accurate use, at work (bicycle mechanic) we use 1-20, an 8-60 and a 20-100 and find that where ranges of the wrenches overlap the wrench with the higher overall rating often makes things a little tighter for the same given reading.
i guess similar to Fizzers comment above about which part of the range to be calibrated to most accurate.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

MarJay
But it's British!



Joined: 15 Sep 2003
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:24 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should always torque brake caliper bolts, spindle nuts, monoshock suspension components, engine mounts, clutch nuts, brake disc bolts, yoke bolts, and handlebar clamps correctly. If you don't do that, then you're asking for trouble IMO.
____________________
British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F; Cheap project: CBR900RR FireBlade
Remember kids, bikes aren't like lego. You can't easily take a part from one bike and then fit it to another.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

-Matt-
World Chat Champion



Joined: 28 Apr 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:45 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: torque Reply with quote

Thanks for all the comments everyone - made me glad I got the wrenches at least, would of made a tool of myself otherwise I think Rolling Eyes

The 28-240nm wrench I got is a challenge one from argos - funnily enough doesn't have calibration certificate only instructions/12 year warranty Confused perhaps an indication it might not be the most reliable?


Last edited by -Matt- on 16:15 - 29 Apr 2013; edited 1 time in total
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Fizzer Thou
World Chat Champion



Joined: 06 Aug 2011
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:46 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

With referance to marjays comment I agree.

Except that in places I disagree with the torque wrench settings given in the Yamaha manual for my R1.They specify 150Nm for the rear wheel nut and 125Nm for the swing-arm nut.Even the sprocket nuts are specified as 69Nm.All far too tight in my opinion.
____________________
Just talk bikes.What else is there?

Always have a 'Plan B'
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Timmeh
World Chat Champion



Joined: 01 Nov 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 16:05 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

150? fuck that.

I torque just about everything, although I tend to use my judgement rather than the dial on things like carb float bowls and anything else that uses mild steel fasteners.

When it comes to rear spindles I tend to just stand on the spanner and use my body weight rather than using using a wrench.
____________________
GSXR400 x2 | '94 RVF400 | '93 TZR125 4DL (again)
20:22:30 BLUEX5: i would love to be forced to undergo a**l plugging with different sizes
20:48:18 Temeluchus: comp you hunk of smouldering homos3x you
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

EazyDuz
World Chat Champion



Joined: 12 Apr 2011
Karma :

PostPosted: 21:21 - 29 Apr 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a low level torque wrench as thats most important for doing up bolts into ally for example, never need more than 7ftlb roughly, and its SO easy to overtighten.

My Sealey one has been calibrated by a human and comes with the signed paperwork to prove it. It has been very useful when i changed my clutch plates and doing exhaust bolts back up.
____________________
To shreds you say? Tss tss tss
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts
Old Thread Alert!

The last post was made 12 years, 346 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful?
  Display posts from previous:   
This page may contain affiliate links, which means we may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. By clicking on an affiliate link, you accept that third-party cookies will be set.

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Bike Chat Forums Index -> The Workshop All times are GMT + 1 Hour
Page 1 of 1

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

Read the Terms of Use! - Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group
 

Debug Mode: ON - Server: birks (www) - Page Generation Time: 0.07 Sec - Server Load: 0.52 - MySQL Queries: 14 - Page Size: 122.04 Kb