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Efes123
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PostPosted: 06:08 - 17 May 2013    Post subject: Shaft, Chain, or Belt Reply with quote

I was having a discussion with a mate the other day about bikes in general, when I mentioned that when I change my bike, I'd prefer to go for a shaftie. He was dead set against them, listing all sort of problems, stating a chain is better, or a belt is the best. My current 500 is a shaftie, and I don't recall experiencing any problems such as rising, kicking out etc. whilst riding. I do like the pretty much non-existent maintenance, and the ease I can remove my back wheel with.

So, what's people's opinions, what do they prefer, and why?
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PostPosted: 07:28 - 17 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You answered your own question, shaft drives don't cause problems in normal riding but you won't see them on the track.
The main problem is the limited choice of bikes with shaft drive.

Larger capacity bikes have reliable heavy duty chains which will last well over 10,000 miles with basic care so not worth excluding a bike you fancy because of the chain maintenance once a week or less.

Belt drives are few and far between.
They offer less maintenance and easier to replace, probably rider resistance to the idea of relying on a rubber band is the main reason they never really took off.
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PostPosted: 08:06 - 17 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a guess what I prefer......

I got fed up with chains back when I was a courier, the mileage I was doing meant almost daily maintenance and they only lasted a few weeks, which was hassle and expense.

Obviously having a shaft mostly limits you to bikes that lean towards the touring/cruising end of the spectrum, but that's not a problem for me, I've never been into out-and-out sports bikes.

The main reasons you don't see them on the track are the extra weight and the difficulties of altering gearing, but that doesn't mean they have to handle badly; the XS1100 won the Australian prod bike championship (more than once IIRC) one of the mags proddy raced an XJ900 and Guzzi and BMW have made some pretty sharp handling bikes, just to name a few examples.

I would say if you're happy with shaft drive and the style of bikes that go with it, stick to it.
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 17 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not stick an automatic oiler on a chain bike and get the best of both worlds? Zero maintenance beyond topping the oil up every couple thousand miles, but all the benefits of a chain
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 17 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chains need to be adjusted once in a while too.
If I can get my hands on a nice, long lasting shaft, I'd be sitting on it all day Wink
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 17 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The belt on my GPz305 is great, you don't realise how much chains jerk, rattle and whirr until you don't have one.

Sadly, because belt have never caught on outside of BMWs and Harleys, they're hella expensive to replace - if you can even find one.
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 17 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personal preference is for a shaftie, then belt, then chain. Chains are too messy for my liking.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 17 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
The belt on my GPz305 is great, you don't realise how much chains jerk, rattle and whirr until you don't have one.

Sadly, because belt have never caught on outside of BMWs and Harleys, they're hella expensive to replace - if you can even find one.


But then it's on a GPz305... Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 17 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
The belt on my GPz305 is great

But then it's on a GPz305... Laughing

Still alive, bro. Still alive.

Belts would be cheaper if more manufacturers used them. It's a bit of a chicken-and-catch-22 situation.
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 17 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

James83 wrote:
Why not stick an automatic oiler on a chain bike and get the best of both worlds? Zero maintenance beyond topping the oil up every couple thousand miles, but all the benefits of a chain


Those Scottoilers drain very quickly if you're doing a higher mileage mine seemed to run dry within a week couriering, you're also replacing the cost of higher chain wear with the need to buy and top up the oil to deter it so it still costs you!
With the shaft on a Diversion 900 you only need change the oil about every 16k at a cost of less than a quid for the amount needed! I don't see any practical issue with shaft drive bikes, dont hate chains but for doing high mileage shafts are so much less fuss.
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 17 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Decent sealed chains are fairly easy to maintain and long lasting, cheap non sealed chains are useless and a complete waste of money.
I've been riding off road for a few years and using a quality sealed chain could expect to do a season of enduros on one chain. Non sealed one would need to be adjusted a couple of times on an enduro and would be ruined after 1 event. You get what you pay for!

Never had any experience of a belt so can't comment but they seem to work well.

Current road bike is an FJR1300 and the shaft is superb, no torque reaction, no clunky shifts, just virtually maintenance free functionality and no mess to clean off everything else.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 17 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I vote shaft every time, own a Deauville 650 and no problems and no mess or constant checking. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 17 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

All three.
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Chain to bed, light spanking with belt and then shaft away.
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On topic I'd prefer a shaft drive. Shame they don't fit one to the VStrom.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 17 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I now just learned that there is more than one drive method for a motorbike, and the difference between them, cheers OP Smile
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 17 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

A shaft, just can't be arsed with chain maintenance. Sadly even though I have a shaft bike, I still have to maintain the wife's chain driven bike. Sad
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 17 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i prefer a shaft for idleness, had a belt on a harley ruined by a stone and about £180 to replace, theyre good tho.

hate chain maintainance but always end up with chains tho as the bikes i like are fitted with them!
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 17 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpf1959 wrote:
i prefer a shaft for idleness, had a belt on a harley ruined by a stone and about £180 to replace, theyre good tho.

hate chain maintainance but always end up with chains tho as the bikes i like are fitted with them!


Whereas I, like Rogerborg, couldn't fault the belt on the GPZ305.
Maintenance free despite the fact that until I obtained a slave machine for parts I'd (well more correctly, she'd) been running round on it for over a year with a rip that was about half the width of the belt.
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PostPosted: 23:45 - 17 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want ever bit of power that my engine generates to be delivered to the rear wheel so chain wins every day.
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PostPosted: 07:19 - 18 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, it looks like most prefer the shaft, and if there were more choice would choose a shaftie over a chain.

The only real disadvantage seems to be, as Ariel alludes to, is that it takes power away. I wonder if this is the reason there's no too many about, apart from litre plus bikes where they get a lot more common.

The reports on older shafties e.g. 80s bikes, do seem to have a few more quirks, such as rising rather than dipping on throttle, or back end stepping out a little. Although, mine is an 84, and I don't notice any of those issues.

Must admit, i know the belt is perfectly safe, but I'd rather metal over rubber when it comes to the drive.
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PostPosted: 07:39 - 18 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
I'd love to know why shaft drive push bikes havn't done well in the UK Confused


Because a shaft will only transmit 85-90% of the power produced by the engine.

Ariel Badger wrote:
I want ever bit of power that my engine generates to be delivered to the rear wheel so chain wins every day.


Then as operational losses with a chain can be between 3-12% or more dependent on condition and adjustment why are you not using a belt that is either in adjustment or broken and has losses of around 3-5%?
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PostPosted: 08:36 - 18 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Efes123 wrote:
Must admit, i know the belt is perfectly safe, but I'd rather metal over rubber when it comes to the drive.


They're not JUST rubber you know.

My drive belt, made for S&S by Gates, has thirteen continuous carbon fibre cords running through the belt, which is an inch and a half wide.
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PostPosted: 10:35 - 18 May 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mines a shaft, didnt even notice straight away as I just thought the bike looked lovely and I was more focused on thinking how the exhausts had to be replaced with black ones. As I hate cleaning chains and the oil off the back wheel, it suits me just fine.
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