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PostPosted: 15:35 - 17 Sep 2013    Post subject: hein gericke complaint Reply with quote

Has anyone made any complaints to the Head Office that has actually made a difference?

Story is... Mid august I went into the Edinburgh branch to return my Alpinestars boots as they've burst down the back. Granted their 7 months old but still under warranty. Was given a shitty answer of "Alpinestars are on holiday so come back at the end of the month", played their naff game and went back when they advised. After a lot of arguing about "within reason"regarding the wear on them they eventually take the boots and tell me they'd be collected Monday and sent by courier, and that I'd normally have them back in a week or so.
Numerous phonecalls (by me not them) later I feel like I'm just being passed off.

So I tried calling the HQ but it doesn't even ring. I'll give them another call in a couple days but if I get no information I'll be informing them that I'll be contacting trading standards.
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 17 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a pair of hg goretex gloves that were 8 months old, the liner was coming apart so popped into reading store with receipt and told the guy there, after checking he found they were out of stock but Southampton had some so he phoned them, told them i was coming, went there and gloves were exchanged instantly.

I presumed this was the normal hg warranty route, it might just be you have either an arse working in the store you went to or the manager is an arse and the staff follow by design.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 17 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

That might be their normal way if it is their own gear but apparently they had to send the boots back to alpinestars.
Just got off the phone with customer service, I say got off the phone but I really mean cut off. They took my complaint then put me on hold, was on hold 3 minutes then the call ended. I can no longer get an answer
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 17 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a pair of HG gloves that the stitching had come apart on.
Less than a year old.
This was before they went bust and then rose like the phoenix.

Shop, Hull branch, refused to do anything without original receipt or credit card statement.

Excuse was that they had to be sure they were bought from HG and not too old. The manager said they might have been bought at some end of line market stall (Thinking maybe the likes of BMF rally etc.).

I recall I was not impressed by that level of customer service. Came across as 'think of an excuse because I can't be bothered'.

Hopefully the all new shiny HG will learn from previous mistakes.
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 17 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive only had to use the Glasgow branch, I took a pair of A* leather trousers that I had only worn a few times and the the catch above the zip was coming away from the leather. Guy there was really helpful just handed him my reciept and got trousers back a couple of weeks later no problems at all.

Sounds like you just may have spoken to a bad sales guy that cant be arsed doing his job as its upto Alpinestars what to do about the warranty etc not him. Good luck in any case but sounds like you have to speak to Citizens advice or something, there's nothing worse than poor customer service.
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 17 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
I had a pair of HG gloves that the stitching had come apart on.
Less than a year old.
This was before they went bust and then rose like the phoenix.

Shop, Hull branch, refused to do anything without original receipt or credit card statement.

Excuse was that they had to be sure they were bought from HG and not too old. The manager said they might have been bought at some end of line market stall (Thinking maybe the likes of BMF rally etc.).

I recall I was not impressed by that level of customer service. Came across as 'think of an excuse because I can't be bothered'.

Hopefully the all new shiny HG will learn from previous mistakes.


I'm surprised speciality clothing (Motorcycling etc.) doesn't come with a serial code so that you can trace to when it was sold, like electronics.

To have a logitech warranty equivalent in the motorcycle market would be a godsend.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 17 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deal direct with Alpinestars, show them pics etc etc and get them to authorise an exchange.
Visit the store you purchased the boots from and tell them it has been authorised and provide the contact details and ref number.
Walk out with a new pair.

I done the same a few years back when I had a problem with a pair of alpinestars boots and it was sorted.
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 17 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Deal direct with Alpinestars, show them pics etc etc and get them to authorise an exchange.
Visit the store you purchased the boots from and tell them it has been authorised and provide the contact details and ref number.
Walk out with a new pair.

I done the same a few years back when I had a problem with a pair of alpinestars boots and it was sorted.


If I'd thought of that I would have done it before sending them off. I will keep it in mind and try it in future if necessary.

Managed to get back onto customer service how have now said they will deal with the Edinburgh store and find out tomorrow from alpinestars what the story is. Really hate having to wear the old spada's. The first drip of water and my feet are soaked
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 18 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the situation you're in now, I'd go ahead and put a letter before action in to HG Edinburgh now. HG corporate would be better, but you want local jurisdiction. CC them in though.

It's up to HG to sort you out, not Alpinestars. Any problems with that are their problems, not yours.

Document the whole story, make the point that it began mid August (their excuse for refusing to accept them then is, again, their problem) and they've already been given multiple opportunities to remedy it.

Boots back or full refund within (realistically) another 14 days, or off to the Sheriff Court, ultimately at their expense.

You did get a receipt for the boots, right?
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 18 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I bought Daytona boots from HG the very lovely gentleman who served me explained that they had a lifetime waterproof warranty and if I ever had any trouble with them to just bring them back in, they would send to Daytona and they would replace. I would assume it is the same process with Alpinestars. Is it worth going straight to Alpinestars do you think? Skipping the middle man who apparently seem to have lost all their decent customer service folk with the closure of so many stores...
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 18 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to work for HG and a couple of other bike stores and although its not really your problem I can tell you alpinestars are a bunch of gits to deal with.

if he said they are on holiday its probably true, they only seem to work 3 months a year, and returning stuff to them is a nightmare, they lie through there teeth constantly saying things haven't arrived even though you have tracking to prove it did, say things have been shipped and wont provide tracking etc etc

basically a pain in the arse, almost as bad as dainese!
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 18 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger I did get a receipt, which they took when returning the boots but I now have a returns form so I still have a reference to everything as well as my card receipt etc.

Apparently they were going to call me today which didn't happen so yet another call shall be made tomorrow. This time outlining that of they cannot get in touch with alpinestars with a suitable response then they should be responsible for me getting a new pair.
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PostPosted: 04:31 - 19 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sid_The_Sloth wrote:
Roger I did get a receipt, which they took when returning the boots but I now have a returns form so I still have a reference to everything as well as my card receipt etc.

Apparently they were going to call me today which didn't happen so yet another call shall be made tomorrow. This time outlining that of they cannot get in touch with alpinestars with a suitable response then they should be responsible for me getting a new pair.


Letter 1st Class SNAIL MAIL (or by hand) to resolve the matter and you need a response ie new boots or commitment from HG to replace within 7 days or you will go to small claims or what ever.
You need to escalate this.
The beef is the manager in the HG shop. He doesn't give a shite. Obviosly.

Refer him to bcf and how effective opinion is on here at crushing cnuts who dis any of our crew/chapter. Mad
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 19 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're fine to keep phoning, but there's no reason you can't start on the road to a legal remedy as well.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 19 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I emailed Citizens Advice regarding everything, and sent an email to Hein Gericke Edinburgh to alert them to this.
And finally I got a call back from their manager. A very heated discussion about who said what etc. Ended in me calling his member of staff ignorant and saying that their communication level is awful.
Apparently he got an answer from Alpinestars earlier today saying that I will be getting a new pair. Why they can't just give me a set out the shop I don't know. But he said he'll call when the boots arrive. Gonna be interesting when I go in to get them Smile
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 19 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do update us if any fisticuffs ensues.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 19 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give us a shout when you do go in. Might just be in the shop for a look at the time Wink
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PostPosted: 00:25 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha, I'm wondering whether they'll give me the boots and be ignorant in the hopes I just leave. Or if they'll try to question how I thought I was given bad service etc. The manager, Jason, did not like when I called his staff ignorant haha
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PostPosted: 04:24 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sid_The_Sloth wrote:
I emailed Citizens Advice regarding everything, and sent an email to Hein Gericke Edinburgh to alert them to this.
And finally I got a call back from their manager. A very heated discussion about who said what etc. Ended in me calling his member of staff ignorant and saying that their communication level is awful.
Apparently he got an answer from Alpinestars earlier today saying that I will be getting a new pair. Why they can't just give me a set out the shop I don't know. But he said he'll call when the boots arrive. Gonna be interesting when I go in to get them Smile


It is despicable to make a customer hang-around until a Supplier sorts out a contractual obligation.
It is not the spirit of the sale of goods act. There was no 'dispute' as such or if there was you were never informed of dispute. It is a case of shite service from a dying company who use a stagnant bunch of cunts as suppliers.

I do not use HG now as they shut the door of the shop in Hull last years after 'the big fiddle'.
I have tonnes of gear to wear for now so I'm OK.

It is a pity as most of the shops did do a not too bad service. It only take one selfish cnut in one shop to spoil things though.

Hope you get your boots within the week.. It should not take more than that considering the political aspects. If you don't receive them get onto EVERYONE again. HG shop, HG HQ, Alpine Farts, CA, and Trading Standards may be interested to know how your case has been miss-handled even if they may not be able to help in this case.
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PostPosted: 07:21 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope that you get them, but all you've got is another verbal assurance which I strongly suspect is a work of fiction to get you off the phone.

I'd again urge you to send a simple letter before action now, specifying when you'll be filing a small claim case against them (14 days is reasonable). The sooner you do this, the sooner you can actually do so and get the legal ball rolling if and when their response becomes "Screw you, see you in court then."

Up to you, but they do seem to be playing you for a mug at this point.
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sid_The_Sloth wrote:
I emailed Citizens Advice regarding everything, and sent an email to Hein Gericke Edinburgh to alert them to this.
And finally I got a call back from their manager. A very heated discussion about who said what etc. Ended in me calling his member of staff ignorant and saying that their communication level is awful.
Apparently he got an answer from Alpinestars earlier today saying that I will be getting a new pair. Why they can't just give me a set out the shop I don't know. But he said he'll call when the boots arrive. Gonna be interesting when I go in to get them Smile


legally he should have just taken them back and given you a replacement in store.

your contract is with your supplier (HG) his contract is with his supplier (A*). Whether A* are on holiday or won't accept it or whatever is not your problem. if they try to, or won't accept it they are in breach of your statutory rights.

this can get a little hazy though as often warranties are with the manufacturer not the retailer; the retailer can contact them on your behalf but they don't have to. either way this shouldn't effect your right to return and request a replacement.

https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/problem/what-do-i-do-if-i-have-a-faulty-product/
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

supZ wrote:
Sid_The_Sloth wrote:
I emailed Citizens Advice regarding everything, and sent an email to Hein Gericke Edinburgh to alert them to this.
And finally I got a call back from their manager. A very heated discussion about who said what etc. Ended in me calling his member of staff ignorant and saying that their communication level is awful.
Apparently he got an answer from Alpinestars earlier today saying that I will be getting a new pair. Why they can't just give me a set out the shop I don't know. But he said he'll call when the boots arrive. Gonna be interesting when I go in to get them Smile


legally he should have just taken them back and given you a replacement in store.

your contract is with your supplier (HG) his contract is with his supplier (A*). Whether A* are on holiday or won't accept it or whatever is not your problem. if they try to, or won't accept it they are in breach of your statutory rights.

this can get a little hazy though as often warranties are with the manufacturer not the retailer; the retailer can contact them on your behalf but they don't have to. either way this shouldn't effect your right to return and request a replacement.

https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/problem/what-do-i-do-if-i-have-a-faulty-product/


You are correct in that the sale and return is alegal matter. But.... It is also recognised 'legally' that complaint be made in writing. Telephone conversations are as good as hearsay in court. Well a Scottish Sheriff would have something sarcastic to say if he even let you say it without it first being in writing.
Power of the Pen et al. Smile

You could also make a legal stance by walking into the HG shop in Embra and glassing the fucker with a half brick. You would feel better.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

supZ wrote:
legally he should have just taken them back and given you a replacement in store.

Repair is fine. It comes down to a fairly subjective test of what's reasonable.

Saying "Oh, A* have all swanned off to Shagaluf for a month, I can't do anything," doesn't sound very reasonable to me.
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
supZ wrote:
legally he should have just taken them back and given you a replacement in store.

Repair is fine. It comes down to a fairly subjective test of what's reasonable.

Saying "Oh, A* have all swanned off to Shagaluf for a month, I can't do anything," doesn't sound very reasonable to me.


Exactly! I had a big argument about his response to the boots... "They are quite worn" yes they're worn, I WEAR THEM!!!

I'll give them till Monday then email again rather than calling.

When I told him on the last call that I had called HQ and that they were supposed to call me back then next day his answer was "well you won't hear back from then either", EXACTLY MY POINT OF SHIT COMMUNICATION!
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 20 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
supZ wrote:
legally he should have just taken them back and given you a replacement in store.

Repair is fine. It comes down to a fairly subjective test of what's reasonable.

Saying "Oh, A* have all swanned off to Shagaluf for a month, I can't do anything," doesn't sound very reasonable to me.


Exactly! I had a big argument about his response to the boots... "They are quite worn" yes they're worn, I WEAR THEM!!!

I'll give them till Monday then email again rather than calling.

When I told him on the last call that I had called HQ and that they were supposed to call me back then next day his answer was "well you won't hear back from then either", EXACTLY MY POINT OF SHIT COMMUNICATION!
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