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PostPosted: 08:11 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Alarm Disc Lock...... Talk to me Reply with quote

Right folks. I have the Cyclone V2 and I have had no end of issues with it. It seems to go off in the same place every night on the way home. As documented here.

I've been in touch with the company several times. They have sent a new key fob out which I coded and still I am having the same problems. I've decided that I am taking the bastard out of the bike today and sending it back to them. Tempted to ride to them and the thing up their arses to be honest. Its been that much of a nightmare.

So..... To prevent the same rubbish happening I have decided that alarmed disc lock will be the easier choice. The options tend to be cheap chinese toffee ones, Xena, or Oxford Screamer.

So what does the BCF crew recomend?
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PostPosted: 08:19 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Re: Alarm Disc Lock...... Talk to me Reply with quote

I have a Kabrus Disk lock like this:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kabrus-Alarmed-Motorbike-Lock-Motorcycle/dp/B00331QXJK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1371197914&sr=8-2&keywords=disk+lock+alarm

Very impressed with it, good bit of kit.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whilst I have no experience of their disc locks, all other Oxford stuff I've ever had the misfortune of owning has been unmitigated crap that's best avoided.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a Xena one. They're great for reminding you you've left your disk lock on when you're about to ride off. Thumbs Up

Not sure how useful they are as an anti-theft measure to be honest.
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
I had a Xena one. They're great for reminding you you've left your disk lock on when you're about to ride off. Thumbs Up

Not sure how useful they are as an anti-theft measure to be honest.


I am leaning towards the Xena one myself. The bike has a built in Immobilizer and I already have a Xena disc lock that has been great. Its one of those V shaped ones and is a bit bulky but its been great.
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 for Xena. The battery life is about 8 months depending on usage. Good thing is once the batteries die it's still a disc lock Razz
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I thin disc locks are the biggest waste of money you can spend on your bike

Basically all bike thefts are done with vans, only joy riding kids bother to try and ride off on it. So that being said its useless, someone with a van can just pick the front wheel up Thumbs Up just spend it on fuel I doubt it would ever help

Like ham said you'll probably just keep forgetting and try to ride off with it still on
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just got the XENA XZZ6 Alarm as a free gift when subscribing to Ride. Not sure if its still that offer, but might be worth a look.

The alarm itself is pretty good, it has that "rape alarm" trill whistle style of alarm rather than the beep beep beep a car alarm may have. It is certainly annoyingly loud for sure.

You can adjust the sensitivity by where you position it on your disc. Either at 6, 9 or 12 oclock. At its most sensitive just a slight wiggle of the handlebars can set mine off.

I'm pleased with it so far. Thumbs Up I'll be interested to see how it handles a bit of bad weather though.
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mice can fart louder than the Oxford can scream Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

clancy wrote:
Personally I thin disc locks are the biggest waste of money you can spend on your bike

Basically all bike thefts are done with vans, only joy riding kids bother to try and ride off on it. So that being said its useless, someone with a van can just pick the front wheel up Thumbs Up just spend it on fuel I doubt it would ever help

Like ham said you'll probably just keep forgetting and try to ride off with it still on


But at least if you have an alarmed disk lock it will make a fuss while they are doing it.

I always see it as, if they have gone through the effort of breaking into my garage, then no form of security will stop them, so might as well go for something cheap which makes a lot of noise.
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must have the only Screamer built to last over 12 months.

I'll just nip out back to check its still ok. Wink
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

CadillacMoon wrote:

You can adjust the sensitivity by where you position it on your disc. Either at 6, 9 or 12 oclock. At its most sensitive just a slight wiggle of the handlebars can set mine off.


^This, you have be be careful how you position it. I had mine on wrong and I managed to change sparkplugs, chain and sprockets without it going off. Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

clancy wrote:
Personally I thin disc locks are the biggest waste of money you can spend on your bike

Basically all bike thefts are done with vans, only joy riding kids bother to try and ride off on it. So that being said its useless, someone with a van can just pick the front wheel up Thumbs Up just spend it on fuel I doubt it would ever help

Like ham said you'll probably just keep forgetting and try to ride off with it still on


Thing is, I am of the opinion that if they are going to have it then they are going to have it anyways. A disc lock may not prevent someone from stealing it but neither will not having a disc lock on it.

It will however make it a little bit more of a pain in the arse and it might be the difference between "fuck it lets get one that does not have a lock on" and waking up to find your pride and joy gone in the night.

Think of it like condoms. They might not be worth the money but I bet you have some stashed around. After all its better to have one and not need one than need one and not have one.

As for riding away without removing it. I have only done that once in my life and will never do it again.


https://www.bits4motorbikes.co.uk/images/PartAccessoriesImages/Security/Disc-lock-reminder.jpg

Handy things to have. Wink
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

clancy wrote:
Personally I thin disc locks are the biggest waste of money you can spend on your bike

Basically all bike thefts are done with vans, only joy riding kids bother to try and ride off on it. So that being said its useless, someone with a van can just pick the front wheel up Thumbs Up just spend it on fuel I doubt it would ever help

Like ham said you'll probably just keep forgetting and try to ride off with it still on


Anything that makes their lives harder is a plus.

The good thing about these alarmed locks is you don't need one of those yellow cord things, once you start the engine the vibrations are usually enough to set the alarm off and remind you to take it off sharp.
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My current bike has an alarm so making noise isn't an issue

My old bike didn't and I didn't bother with them, I just don't think they're worth bothering with tbh, no criminal is going to see it as a deterrent
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a fk off chain that goes around the back wheel. I have Yamaha's built in YISS system with the coded keys and I have a xena disc lock already. But I also have 6K worth of brand new bike to look after.

Perhaps its overkill but if I park my bike beside your bike then the chances are that the common thief will look at the chains and locks on my bike, the lack of chains and locks on yours and decide yours is the easier target.

And ultimately that is what its all about. Yes a determined thief will be off regardless of what security but if the common chav who steals motorbikes for the fun of it decides that the alarms and locks make the bike not worth his effort then they are worth the money.
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grab a big plant pot and fill with concrete and a massive solid round object half embedded in there, chain to that. Laughing

What is the issue with the Cyclone exactly? I've had about 6 now and no issues, but I cut absolutely everything away from the loom and make sure the only things connected are the power, ground and indicators.
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a couple of Motrax Vishas disc locks, one for each bike. They are larger, heavier and more substantial than any of the pathetic alarmed disc locks I looked at. Plus zanx attacked a Vishas and reckoned it to be one of the better constructed disc locks.

I have never tried to ride off without removing my disc lock first.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

clancy wrote:
Personally I thin disc locks are the biggest waste of money you can spend on your bike

Basically all bike thefts are done with vans, only joy riding kids bother to try and ride off on it. So that being said its useless, someone with a van can just pick the front wheel up Thumbs Up just spend it on fuel I doubt it would ever help

Like ham said you'll probably just keep forgetting and try to ride off with it still on


So you were just here to p*ss all over the thread and not contribute anything useful? You must be an absolute riot at a party.
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

clancy wrote:
Basically all bike thefts are done with vans, only joy riding kids bother to try and ride off on it.


Every bike theft attempt I have had has been joy riding kids. Don’t actually know anyone that has had a bike stolen without 'some' wheeling the bike about. Come to think of it, all the bike thefts I know of have all been joy riding kids.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the bigger Quad locking Xena alarmed jobbies should do the job, they can't just use a crow bar/screw driver to get it off because it locks back into itself Thumbs Up Quality build aswell, only annoying thing i find is when it comes to changing the batterys Razz i can never find any of the bludy things!
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sable wrote:
clancy wrote:
Basically all bike thefts are done with vans, only joy riding kids bother to try and ride off on it.


Every bike theft attempt I have had has been joy riding kids. Don’t actually know anyone that has had a bike stolen without 'some' wheeling the bike about. Come to think of it, all the bike thefts I know of have all been joy riding kids.


Interesting, only ever seen the joy riding thing on tv tbh
Only 2 thefts I personally know of involved vans
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

clancy wrote:


Interesting, only ever seen the joy riding thing on tv tbh
Only 2 thefts I personally know of involved vans


So that makes you qualified to say they are all done by vans?

Funny that because most of the ones I have heard about have involved scroats pushing the bike down the road and dumping it because they couldnt get it started or dumping it miles away because they could get it started.

Not once have I heard of a van one. Apart from one video I saw on youtube and we all know the Internet is not real. Wink
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the oxford boss alarmed disc lock.

I have stopped using the alarm part after 6 months as it was just going crazy every 5 mins for no reason.

I just turn around the lock and using it without the alarm part.

otherwise it was good for the first 6 months.
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 14 Jun 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

On Reddit, there was an ex bike thief (in America) that had a bit of an impromptu Q&A session, it's actually quite an interesting read.

https://www.reddit.com/r/motorcycles/comments/t5shp/ex_thief_chopshop_operator_ama/

On the subject of vans, he says this:

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There is this common misconception that a few guys load bikes into trucks and vans. The people who get CAUGHT load bikes into trucks and vans. Your career will be very short if you're loading a 185mph rocket (that likely has a tracking system) that will outrun the police into the back of an 85mph van that will take you to the scene of your arrest. If you can't start the bike and ride off then you damn sure can't find and remove lojack.
In 10-15 years I've known a couple dozen thieves and only one that was foolish enough to load bikes into a truck or van for any length of time. He learned to wire them after he was caught, twice.


Not saying that it's the bee all and end all of stealing bikes, it does give a glimpse into the 'industry' and talks about a few things that I wouldn't even have thought of like taking a dog with him when scoping out bikes so if an alarm goes off, he waits for the owner to arrive (therefore knowing how long it takes to get to the bike) then blaming his dog on setting off the alarm. Sneaky devils Evil or Very Mad

Edit - On the subject of disc locks, he says to put them on the back wheel as they are harder to remove (although doesn't elaborate as to why) Question
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