sv650(V twin) vs inline 4 (r6)

[stranger12]

Hi All,

i have had a look at the topics out there about inline vs v twin and most people seem to prefer the inline over the v twin despite better acceleration and torque available in v twin.

i am planning to get an R6 in a year or less and it may sound too soon to think about this , the jump from my week old sv650 to r6 but need to plan and save money etc and have a clear idea of which one i am going for

for me the acceleration is everything and also the handling . looking at figures sv650 does 0 60 in around 3.8 whereas r6 is around 2.8ish which is way faster hence confused why the sv650 with higher torque and low band power gets there later than r6.

i know obviously r6 has around 60 hp more than sv650 but this goes on and on making my consider all aspects

i thought i may open this thread with a hope of getting some opinions ( no harsh ones please ) so can see the big picture

also am i too limited to think r6 or r1 are the best and my final bike or gsxr , zzr and others are also good ?

many thanks
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[Supermoto_Fan]

I would say step away from the computer, calm down and enjoy the ride and the bike you have now. To be thinking about what bike you want next when you've only has your current bike for a week would seem to suggest you never wanted the SV
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[Knightsy]

Learn to ride SV properly for now.
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[stranger12]

don't get me wrong but few thing that has let me down on sv is the sound .
2 the steering , when have it on full lock my 125 does steer better and in a less space. it is like comparing a car and trunk , the truck been my sv

i just love to get on r6 soon and maybe a case of buying it in few month if can't wait that long

do lots of track days etc on the sv650 to be prepared for r6 but again don't think i need that as sv is quite fast .
this goes on and on in my mind so sort of indecisive
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[Knightsy]

1. Time for a new can
2. It's normal. Bigger bikes weigh more, you'll get used to it.
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[Blau Zedong]

inb4 G turns up
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[P.addy]

A good rider on an SV650 will beat me on any bike. It is the skill of the rider that makes the bike, not the numbers stated next to a bike review.

I've had my rectum handed to me by a VFR800 when I was "having fun" on the GSXR1000... when it came to corners he was far superior, although on paper the GSXR should have slayed him.

Chill

[Supermoto_Fan]

Regards to the steering thing, most sportbikes tend to have a turning circle like a barge (?)

Sound, well if you've been watching videos of r6s doing fly bys before you got your sv then of course you will be dissapointed. It's a twin, it doesn't sound like an inline 4.

You sound like you really regret the SV, which is a shame, because although slated on here for being a bit bland. It does everything you want it too with reasonable results. A week or 2 isn't long enough to learn how your new big bike likes to be ridden/posture/etc.
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[trevor saxe-coburg-gotha]

I heart 15's beowulf. So much better than stock can.
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[Acemastr]

You'll get used to it, there will always be better bikes out there but it's not always best to have them.

An R6 for example has fark all midrange and will annoy you having to change down so much just to get a shift on, on your SV you can just open the throttle.

Get a nice end can, it'll sound cool, then learn to ride the SV.

p.s all bigger bikes have shockingly shit turning circles, no one ever does a U turn anyway so why worry?
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[lihp]

The turning circle of Sportsbikes atrocious. You will have tighter turning available on the SV
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[stranger12]

where i leave i need to do u turn to get out of parking and it really annoying to stop and start . with my sym it is all one go
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[pits]

Well having an SV650 in the garage I can confirm they are mostly crap, that said I am able to upset a lot of other bikes on it, I've kept up happily with a 916, ZXRs, R6's, GSXRs on it, it does handle like a pig to be fair which is why I am massively quicker on my Ducati, but the SV is capable of going fast.

Changing to an R6 isn't going to make you any faster or any better at riding, from what I gather you're not overly great to start with, if your main concern is acceleration, if getting to speed is your main concern then you're not carrying enough speed through the corners it is that simple, people can get SV650s to destroy bigger bikes on track.

As for speed etc, SV650 doesn't rev to 9million RPM so on a R6 you may have one gear change if that, the SV will have two but real world difference, unless you can launch your bike properly against an R6 you will never notice that miniscule difference.


SV650 turning circle vs R6..... add 6 more points to your 6 point turn on the SV.


As for me, I've ridden an R6 (MY00) and hated it, it was crap, yeah it handled well enough but there is no go in them at the bottom, all the power is in the top of the rev range and between 1st and 3rd flat out you're looking at 0-120ishmph. For me I would always be between 2nd and 3rd, waiting for it to kick into life, which it would then take off like a scolded cat, on a track I bet they are brilliant, on the road bit crap imho.

I don't want to be between 2nd and 3rd trying to get revs right, I want power from top to bottom.


Don't take this the wrong way, but you seem to be the kind of person who wants to fit in with other bikers, not overly competent on a bike, just wants to go fast everywhere and speed is the most important thing ever, I would honestly suggest a slight attitude adjustment to biking or you might end up dead very quickly.


It's not about power and getting to speed as fast as possible, it's about maintaining good speed all the time, learn to ride your SV before going for something with more power.
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[johnsmith222]

[krarkol]

Pretty much what pits said...

I go out on ride outs a lot with fast riders. One of the lads has an sv650 which has similar performance figures to my bandit. If anything, the bandit wins on acceleration and speed slightly due to the top end power of an inline 4.

When it comes to a twisty road however, the lad on the sv650 absolutely annihilates me! We went round wales a couple of month back and I ended up about a mile behind him and he had to wait for me and I'm not exactly slow!

On the straights it's easy to keep up, but when it comes to corners he can maintain his speed, or use the engine braking to shave off a few mph and he will carry that speed through the bend. Me? My balls aren't as big so I brake for the corner and probably go through it only 10mph less. The difference is that he is already at speed and can accelerate from that. I have to make up for the lost speed and then go even quicker to get up to the same speed as him. All this loses a second or 2 which adds up. Especially on the roads like in Wales.

Your sv650 is a cheap and cheerful bike, they aren't bad bikes, especially for the money from new and what you can buy them for used! You just need to learn to use its characteristics properly and you won't get that in a week.

I know a guy who's had a 3 bikes in the past 6 month, he isn't quick because he gets a new bike before he's used to his last. Even though the next is more powerful than the last. Meaning he isn't gaining experience. If you can, maybe get used to the sv a bit then do a trackday or 2? You will learn alot about the bike and how far you can lean etc. I did a charity one at a local go karting track and I am now a lot more confident with my bikes capabilities.

If you have the faired sv with clip ons, the R6 won't turn any better. If you want a bike that can easily U turn get a naked bike.

Hope that helped
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[evoboy]

Just get used to riding the SV. They are quite capable bikes, track or road.

My old TRX made about 10hp more than an SV and i had no problem keeping up and playing with the more 'capable' bikes. You will learn how to carry corner speed to maximise the power available to you.
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[colin1]

i think a triumph tt600 or speed four are good as they are pretty much as good as the big name sports bikes but a lot cheaper

brakes suspension and engine much better than a sv650

engine is a bit lumpy at low revs, but its much better for riding at legal speeds than an r6, as the r6 riding posiiton is more of a racing crouch and so heavy on the wrists in town at low speeds
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[stranger12]

i see, lots of useful posts and making me rethink again.

i am not one of those guys whom loves speed etc but speed is a factor because i come from strong car background and still am do drifting etc

again in car speed is not everything , cornering is the main factor as driving is . almost dare to say driving is 50% of the whole experience. i used to beat lots of galladro and high top end cars with my 328 which is almost same as m3(modified) because of racing lines and daring to push the car to its limit

i guess i have just been a bit of kid loving the 0 60 but hay i think i need to revisit this and maybe keep my self occupied

and in response to a post, thank for letting me know that bigger bike have a bigger turning circle as it was driving me nut thinking something is wrong with my bike.
it is naked version .


i do enjoy the sv and love it just guess impatient and read into this tooooooo much thinking i need r6 soon ( when say soon after few month )
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[krarkol]

If your heart is set on an R6 then get one by all means!

I want either a daytona 675 or b1h 636 as my next bike, not for the speed but because I like the style of them and prefer the more sports orientated positioning
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[clancy]

r6 i dont think they are as fun as equivalent bikes, everyone ive known to get one has not kept it long. but each to their own

i would say go and test drive a few different bikes a used dealership and see what you really enjoy riding, then look at buying one of those. you may find you fall in love with something completely un expected
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[c_dug]

With the 0-60 times, going by claimed times the sv is still twice as quick as an M3 which probably puts it into perspective, that extra half a second or so that the r6 gets is nothing at all in real world terms.

For the record every week or so I come to a set of lights on a dual carriage way on one of these:

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/253371/images/01yamaha-xj900-diversion-copy.jpg

And end up beside the same guy on one of these:

https://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy28/waynester71/Honda-CBR900RR-Fireblade-Urban20Tiger-PSPT-01.jpg

We both gun it every time away from the lights and every time I leave him for dust up to around 40-60mph when physics comes into play. It's not about the figures on a sheet of paper its about the technique and the balls.
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[G]

[quote="stranger12"] twin despite better acceleration and torque available in v twin.[/quote
Why do you think a v-twin has better acceleration or useful torque?

A quick google shows an R6 with 41.2ft-lb and a SV with 44.2ft-lb.
Not a massive difference (note that a CBR was listed at 43.9ft-lb). But also irrelevant in it's self.

Torque is only useful when you know what gearing it has.

First gear on the SV650 is much shorter. Meaning that while the R6 is still in a lower gearing producing similar torque to the SV, the SV has to change up, which dramatically reduces the useful torque at the back wheel.

I consider the SV a slow and boring bike.
However, I've still managed to lap the old Snetterton circuit with very long straights at the same pace as a litre bikes with over twice the power on a trackday. On a race day I've managed to keep pace with a fireblade powerbike on slicks while I was on a 64hp SV650 with road legal tyres.
And there's plenty of riders that would embarrass me if I was the one on the more powerful bike too.

So, as paddy says - learning to ride makes rather a difference .
Me, I'd prefer to be the one on a 64hp SV650 annoying bikes with twice the power than the one on a big fast bike being shown up by someone on a tiddler .

Difference between the top sports bikes is all pretty marginal, bar the S1000RR which seems to be well ahead of the competition, even more so for the Hp4 edition.
That's for all out speed, of course.
For rider enjoyment, you might find you get more out of thrashing an SV on track than barely breathing on the the throttle of a bike that isn't far off the specs of a world superbike from a few years ago!

[Zen Dog]

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[stranger12]

indeed that sums it up, time to go back to my sv and be a happy little boy again for at least another 6-7 month

although the sv650 is sh*t restricted so may quickly pass my accelerated exam
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