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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 09 Jul 2013    Post subject: Returning to a single on-road test. Verdict is... Reply with quote

You may remember Mike "the bike" Penning kicking off a review of returning to a single on-road motorcycle test, rolling the required manoeuvres into the rest of the test.

Bear in mind that the actual required manoeuvres are less than the gold plated bollocks that we've currently chosen to implement. And that the rest of Europe just gets on and does them on road, or for that matter doesn't bother with them, reportedly resulting in fines in the region of Euro 100,000, a pittance compared to the cost of maintaining our mod 1 test centres.

Well, the Sir Humphreys have had their way with it and...

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The spiel is here, but the crib notes are that it would be too dangerous and somewhat bizarrely, too expensive.

For once I can't even be bothered reading the 'research' itself since it's a done deal and it seems pretty clear that with Penning ousted that they decided the result and then chose the conditions to justify it.

Poor bloody show, DfT. Looks like reducing biker casualties by reducing the number of bikers on the road,
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 09 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are we against 2 tests again? I am for the mod 1 as I like the ability it gives you to get the stuff that makes you sweat out of the way. Then again I did fail my driving test 2 times because of the maneuvers section of it...

That said, now that everyone needs to use a school because of the new rules, I suppose it's just more areseache and money having to go to mod 1 on your school bike with your instructor. FUCK
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 09 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mm, there are some good points about the mod1/2 split - stuff up a manoeuvre on mod1, and you're out <£20, that's not too bad considering how much an on-road test costs. The swerve isn't a bad thing to be teaching either, and that wouldn't be too fun to test on-road. But depending on where you live, mod 1 test grounds aren't necessarily accessible - I had to travel nearly 40 miles each way for mine, I'd originally been booked in at Lincoln ('only' 25 miles each way), but then DSA cancelled and moved us all to Peterborough instead. Since I was on a DAS course, that was pretty much 2 hours of time that I was paying for and just spending cruising up/down the A1.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 09 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I've now read the "research" any my blood is at approximately the temperature point of molten lead. Mad

They essentially decided to set up and replicate the current mod 1 test areas on public roads. Presumably because to do otherwise would be to admit that what we do is ridiculously pedantic and burdensome and goes beyond the common sense requirements of the 3DLD.

The Clipboard Stasi are well and truly running the asylum.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 09 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

ficedula wrote:
Mm, there are some good points about the mod1/2 split - stuff up a manoeuvre on mod1, and you're out <£20, that's not too bad considering how much an on-road test costs. The swerve isn't a bad thing to be teaching either, and that wouldn't be too fun to test on-road. But depending on where you live, mod 1 test grounds aren't necessarily accessible - I had to travel nearly 40 miles each way for mine, I'd originally been booked in at Lincoln ('only' 25 miles each way), but then DSA cancelled and moved us all to Peterborough instead. Since I was on a DAS course, that was pretty much 2 hours of time that I was paying for and just spending cruising up/down the A1.

NO, if you fail the MOD1 test and yu are using a school bike then it is about £50 out of pocket! I should know I failed it three times! i also had it cancelled once due to industrial action! and it was a 50 mile round trip for me. Crying or Very sad Luckily I passed MOD 2 first time and this was just down the road from my home. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 09 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL

I just read this report by a consultant to the EU on road safety.

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However, even if these measures were used to their full potential, the accident rates of PTW's will still be much higher than for driving a car. A further reduction in number of PTW accidents is only possible with a very restrictive licensing system with access only at higher age limits, more extensive training and testing, lower power to weight ratios or restricted top speed. These measures will not be popular with present user groups or the PTW industry. Discouraging or restricting the use of PTW's may be more acceptable if alternatives are made more attractive. Pedal bike, public transport or cars do not seem to be alternatives to the present use of PTW's. (Electric) power assisted pedal bikes and tilting three wheelers could become acceptable alternatives in the near future for some existing groups of PTW users.

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PostPosted: 07:25 - 10 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
I just read this report by a consultant to the EU on road safety.

Not one word in there - not one word - about other vehicles being to blame in the majority of collisions. Could you imagine that in a report on pedalist injuries?

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PostPosted: 08:42 - 10 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

mailee wrote:

NO, if you fail the MOD1 test and yu are using a school bike then it is about £50 out of pocket! I should know I failed it three times! i also had it cancelled once due to industrial action! and it was a 50 mile round trip for me. Crying or Very sad Luckily I passed MOD 2 first time and this was just down the road from my home. Rolling Eyes


Look on the bright side - if they'd been testing the manoeuvres on a single combined test, and you'd failed it 3 times, you'd be out over £100 each time.

Sure, you've got school fees to pay, but at least the DSA part of the cost is considerably less when you fail a mod1. Which doesn't make the part about spending half the day travelling to / from the school any more attractive, I know; I had to do that as well.
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 10 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
LOL

I just read this report by a consultant to the EU on road safety.



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Studies of moped and motorcycle accidents find large proportions of collisions with a car driver who should have waited for the PTW, indicating problems with the perception of PTW's. These problems are both physical due to the small size of the PTW and psychological: the presence and behaviour of PTW's is not expected by car drivers and sometimes not given enough attention by them. Some PTW riders contribute to the problems by speeding. A partial solution to the perceptual problems for both moped and motorcycle is the use of headlights during daytime and the wearing of fluorescent/retroflective clothing.


>OR BETTER FUCKING CAR DRIVER TRAINING

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With only two wheels in line PTW's are difficult to control. Poor condition of the road surface or small objects on the road are likely to cause loss of control of a PTW.


>With only two feet human locomotion is difficult to control. How long before the EU tries to legislate running...?

In the entire consultation, most of the things they point to are car driver error and poor road conditions, and their solution is to punish motorcycle riders.

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PostPosted: 16:47 - 10 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However, even if these measures were used to their full potential, the accident rates of PTW's will still be much higher than for driving a car. A further reduction in number of PTW accidents is only possible with a very restrictive licensing system with access only at higher age limits, more extensive training and testing, lower power to weight ratios or restricted top speed.


Great news! That's your job done, then. Accident rates have now been reduced to the smallest feasible number.

Kick back with a glass of cava. You deserve it.
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