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It's 56mph; you might find some that will manage about 60mph on a sustained steep slope.
Note that some 7.5t vehicles are allowed to do 70mph - mine will do 70-75, but fuel economy is horrendous at those speeds.
I did 600 miles in my van on motorways on Monday. Didn't come across any trucks going much faster than 56.
(Note - my measurements are by GPS - speedometers can easily be 10% out, but it's rare that trucks with the limiters will be, as they'll want to make sure they can get a real 56.
Anyway, doing the knowledge you WILL be dicing with big vehicles whatever.
And, more to the point; there will be enough big trucks going slow that it shouldn't be a big issue.
Consider it 'character building' .
And yes, I've done big A roads on a c90. Not so pleasent, but on a 125cc scooter, not so bad to my mind - especially a busy one going in to London.
Have you already got the scooter? A cheap Chinese 125 scooter may be pushing it. While a decent 2 stroke and you're talking pretty rapid. |
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Anyway, doing the knowledge you WILL be dicing with big vehicles whatever.
And, more to the point; there will be enough big trucks going slow that it shouldn't be a big issue.
Consider it 'character building'  .
And yes, I've done big A roads on a c90. Not so pleasent, but on a 125cc scooter, not so bad to my mind - especially a busy one going in to London.
Have you already got the scooter? A cheap Chinese 125 scooter may be pushing it. While a decent 2 stroke and you're talking pretty rapid. |
I've got plenty of character. I know how fast a geared 125 sped me along, struggling most of the time to make it to 60!! I Haven't got a scooter yet ____________________ Current bike........'09 Honda CBF 125, seeking new big bike............New bike found '01 Honda VFR 800 |
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Fuck. That.
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I also had no idea about 'The knowledge'. Sounds like a real badge of honour. I wanna do it for Mumbai  |
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Lol, a 125 scoot is ideal. Anything four stroke.
I refuse to accept that you've ever actually used the A2 to get into london if you feel one wont be doable. Used to regularily run packages into london on my YBR when i worked with delta! If a lorry wants to overtake, let them. Cant be any worse than going up bluebell hill on a SYM jet 50...and i'm not dead yet.
Have faith & keep up with servicing, avoid aprilia as i've now heard of two of their scoots suffer head failure on a commute up the A2. Valve spring on one & exhaust valve on the other. ____________________ Please be aware that the above post may be full of complete nonsense.
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| sheriffjonny wrote: | The problem is i live in Medway and don't fancy going up and down the A2 on a 125 scooter, but need the fuel economy to make it affordable. I'm thinking something like a sh300 will do, but i have no experience of peds at all. |
I think you could stick it out on a decent 125 scooter. The A2 wouldn't be terribly pleasant, but not dangerously slow IMO, and a 125 would be close to optimal once you're in London. It's rare that I see a knowledge boy on anything other than a 125, typically a Honda PS.
You can get north of 90mpg on a 125 even in city traffic, if you're smooth. While my SH300 gets about 70mpg ridden fairly aggressively across London. It will cruise at an indicated 80 without too much stress, and depending on the state of the rollers / belt, it will make a true 80-85 before the rev limiter starts cutting the spark. I've toured through Scotland and Ireland on them without issue, no fear of any road; not motorway, nor steep narrow country lane - something I generally don't do on my VFR.
But the SH300 is less suited to the kind of riding I see knowledge boys doing - trundling around, alternately looking at street signs and route listings with only occasional glances at the road, lots of u-turns, etc. The SH is slightly less manoeuvrable through gridlocked traffic than a 125, about 30% heavier, and 150% more power. It's pretty decent at launching from traffic lights, excellent for darting through gaps starting from low speed, and getting back up to higher speeds after you've braked for safety reasons, all without losing much of the nimble handling of a scooter, or breaking your back / wrists / clutch hand. And the ABS is excellent in the wet, on the often oily roads in the city. The brakes are fantastic as when you use both at the same time - it has a similar but not quite as complex setup as the VFR, where the rear operates one of the pistons on the front.
But this all makes it optimized for getting from A to B in the urban environment as fast as possible while still being semi-safe. And that's not how knowledge boys ride, or what they need. The bike's capabilities encourage you to ride faster than you should, to the point where it may distract you from the task at hand! ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 12 years, 166 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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