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PostPosted: 21:32 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Yorkshire Police crackdown Reply with quote

Just seen the look north news, apparently they're cracking down on speeding bikes in north yorkshire, especially the B1271 between helmsley and stokesly. so if you're hooning around Yorkshire anytime soon watch out for the boys in blue. they have hayabusas, grey audis, bmws and land rovers plus a black BMW k1300. mobile speed cameras are also out so be careful not to get caught
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: Yorkshire Police crackdown Reply with quote

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Just seen the look north news, apparently they're cracking down on speeding bikes in north yorkshire, especially the B1271 between helmsley and stokesly. so if you're hooning around Yorkshire anytime soon watch out for the boys in blue. they have hayabusas, grey audis, bmws and land rovers plus a black BMW k1300. mobile speed cameras are also out so be careful not to get caught

Their scamera vans look like small(ish) camper vans too :/
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: Yorkshire Police crackdown Reply with quote

scarborough_lad wrote:
Just seen the look north news, apparently they're cracking down on speeding bikes in north yorkshire, especially the B1271 between helmsley and stokesly. so if you're hooning around Yorkshire anytime soon watch out for the boys in blue. they have hayabusas, grey audis, bmws and land rovers plus a black BMW k1300. mobile speed cameras are also out so be careful not to get caught

They appear to be doing a very similar thing in the Isle of Man I found out at my expense today Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My mum thinks she got done by a mobile one doing 50 in a 30, silly cow she blames her grand children for being noisey in the back!
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed the unmarked Hyabusa got someone at Willy Woods on Sunday. The scamera van was just up the road too! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the sounds of it this once again is the result of yet a mother mid life crisiser who ends up dying on a sports bike Rolling Eyes RIP but this really annoys me when we young ones are the ones who suffer yet lots of accidents seem to be from older born again bikers or older guys.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodall57 wrote:
By the sounds of it this once again is the result of yet a mother mid life crisiser who ends up dying on a sports bike Rolling Eyes RIP but this really annoys me when we young ones are the ones who suffer yet lots of accidents seem to be from older born again bikers or older guys.


Why are you suffering? Cos you might get caught speeding? What's the difference between you with all your vast experience and a 'born again'? absolutely nothing. There's been 3 killed in NY this week, not born againers as you think 'by the sound of it', sort some facts out then comment.
You aren't suffering anything like their families or mates involved.

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PostPosted: 22:52 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodall57 wrote:
By the sounds of it this once again is the result of yet a mother mid life crisiser who ends up dying on a sports bike Rolling Eyes RIP but this really annoys me when we young ones are the ones who suffer yet lots of accidents seem to be from older born again bikers or older guys.

Aw cheers mate. I am a older biker who has just returned to it after many years! I am certainly not a mad rider and take it easy out there. don't tar us all with the same brush, some of us are sensible. Wink
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodall57 wrote:
By the sounds of it this once again is the result of yet a mother mid life crisiser who ends up dying on a sports bike Rolling Eyes RIP but this really annoys me when we young ones are the ones who suffer yet lots of accidents seem to be from older born again bikers or older guys.


"A study (Clarke et al 2004) has indicated that there are 2 clear peaks in casualty age (21-25 & 31-35) "

https://www.bikelawyer.co.uk/bike-accident-statistics

Midlife crisis age is about 43 for men, 44 for women.

Also here's pretty graph showing more young people die from RTA's* than old farts

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/188253/_bcf/graph.jpg

* all not just motorcycle
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like we will all be fine over 85, never get into accidents but probably see a fair few!!! Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 09 Aug 2013    Post subject: yes and some of us older bikers have common sense Reply with quote

Older and wiser comes to mind..... but some young guys have common sense and stay alive, and some old ones didn't. and just had a 100+ bikes turn out at his Funeral.

The police will always have random crack downs but in the end while anyone treats a road like its a race track they risk not just killing themselves but others as well.

so Whos fun is it spoiling?

The guys who like to do 90+ on country roads, or the dads with daughters on the back out for a sunny days ride who stick to the speed limits and just get idiots and van,s cars and on bikes ploughing into them cos they crossed to the wrong side of the road ?

I have seen enough idiots on bikes these last few weeks to last me a life time ! .......but just as many cars and vans but for some reason the police only pick on the bikes......
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PostPosted: 00:45 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: yes and some of us older bikers have common sense Reply with quote

radicalrabit wrote:
Older and wiser comes to mind..... but some young guys have common sense and stay alive, and some old ones didn't. and just had a 100+ bikes turn out at his Funeral.

The police will always have random crack downs but in the end while anyone treats a road like its a race track they risk not just killing themselves but others as well.

so Whos fun is it spoiling?

The guys who like to do 90+ on country roads, or the dads with daughters on the back out for a sunny days ride who stick to the speed limits and just get idiots and van,s cars and on bikes ploughing into them cos they crossed to the wrong side of the road ?

I have seen enough idiots on bikes these last few weeks to last me a life time ! .......but just as many cars and vans but for some reason the police only pick on the bikes......


Be careful what you say.. some people might consider it to be disrespectful to a specific person..
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: Yorkshire Police crackdown Reply with quote

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They appear to be doing a very similar thing in the Isle of Man I found out at my expense today Crying or Very sad


All those de restricted roads there. At least use your common sense and stick with the few limits they do have. Wink
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PostPosted: 08:16 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old Git Racing wrote:


Why are you suffering?


3DLD for a start yet in that there where hardly any measures to protect older people, no step up system for them like us. They can just do a test on a 600 and get a hayabusa at 45. My problem is not with old people i just dont understand how they dont get some sort of step up in power like we now have to do at 17 ect. yet all the accidents I hear about are older guys https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/10604012.Eleven_motorcyclists_killed_on_North_Yorkshire_roads_in_2013/ all people mentioned in this post are way above those age groups quoted, not to say that those stats are not true it's just all I seem to hear about is crashes from older people.
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PostPosted: 08:18 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe they're the only ones that are newspaper worth. Since when did papers make any money by telling the truth?
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PostPosted: 08:19 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
maybe they're the only ones that are newspaper worth. Since when did papers make any money by telling the truth?


Yea that has been m main thought after seeing all them stats Shocked
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: yes and some of us older bikers have common sense Reply with quote

Scythe wrote:
radicalrabit wrote:
Older and wiser comes to mind..... but some young guys have common sense and stay alive, and some old ones didn't. and just had a 100+ bikes turn out at his Funeral.

The police will always have random crack downs but in the end while anyone treats a road like its a race track they risk not just killing themselves but others as well.

so Whos fun is it spoiling?

The guys who like to do 90+ on country roads, or the dads with daughters on the back out for a sunny days ride who stick to the speed limits and just get idiots and van,s cars and on bikes ploughing into them cos they crossed to the wrong side of the road ?

I have seen enough idiots on bikes these last few weeks to last me a life time ! .......but just as many cars and vans but for some reason the police only pick on the bikes......


Be careful what you say.. some people might consider it to be disrespectful to a specific person..



"Some people" as you say, just don't want to see the truth ......
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: yes and some of us older bikers have common sense Reply with quote

Scythe wrote:
radicalrabit wrote:
Older and wiser comes to mind..... but some young guys have common sense and stay alive, and some old ones didn't. and just had a 100+ bikes turn out at his Funeral.

The police will always have random crack downs but in the end while anyone treats a road like its a race track they risk not just killing themselves but others as well.

so Whos fun is it spoiling?

The guys who like to do 90+ on country roads, or the dads with daughters on the back out for a sunny days ride who stick to the speed limits and just get idiots and van,s cars and on bikes ploughing into them cos they crossed to the wrong side of the road ?

I have seen enough idiots on bikes these last few weeks to last me a life time ! .......but just as many cars and vans but for some reason the police only pick on the bikes......


Be careful what you say.. some people might consider it to be disrespectful to a specific person..



"Some people" as you say, just don't want to see the truth ......

deleted tha last bit as it refered to a different post
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ages of those involved in those accidents shows the typical age of bikers, at least the ones touring/day-tripping round areas like North Yorkshire.
The under 25s are more likely to be on smaller bikes or scooters, and are less likely to be travelling to N.Yorks from outside the area (as most of those were)

They aren't having accidents because they are getting too old to ride, although lack of frequent riding to keep skills sharp might come into it.
I would hazard a guess that exceeding speed limits had very little to do with the actual incidents, however inappropriate speed and failing to read road ahead is almost always involved.

The typical rural North Yorks accident - all vehicles - is single vehicle losing control on a bend.
The consequences doing this on a bike are worse especially since walls and trees are almost universal roadside furniture here.
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: Yorkshire Police crackdown Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
Dave70 wrote:

They appear to be doing a very similar thing in the Isle of Man I found out at my expense today Crying or Very sad


All those de restricted roads there. At least use your common sense and stick with the few limits they do have. Wink

The thing is that I do...usually. Made a bad judgement in deciding to overtake a van on the last section of the mountain road just before the 40mph restriction kicks in, thinking I'd have more time to get my speed down than I did (van was going quicker than I'd thought), leaving me with less time to safely get my speed down to40. A sweet spot for the police to rake in revenue while at the same time doing sweet fa to improve road safety.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: Yorkshire Police crackdown Reply with quote

Dave70 wrote:

The thing is that I do...usually. Made a bad judgement in deciding to overtake a van on the last section of the mountain road just before the 40mph restriction kicks in, thinking I'd have more time to get my speed down than I did (van was going quicker than I'd thought), leaving me with less time to safely get my speed down to40. A sweet spot for the police to rake in revenue while at the same time doing sweet fa to improve road safety.


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OTOH and putting a different perspective on it, perhaps this sort of thing might increase road safety because you might make better judgements in future? i.e. making sure you've time/space to complete an overtake and reduce your speed well before the point at which the speed limit changes?

[My philosophy] On a bike, overtaking opportunities are so much more frequent compared to a car, that I generally don't overtake when approaching lower speed limits (i.e. when I'm going to have to brake after returning to my own lane and reduce the following vehicle's braking space) because I know once the speed limit increase again, I'll be able to pass.
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Re: Yorkshire Police crackdown Reply with quote

Dave70 wrote:

The thing is that I do...usually. Made a bad judgement in deciding to overtake a van on the last section of the mountain road just before the 40mph restriction kicks in, thinking I'd have more time to get my speed down than I did (van was going quicker than I'd thought), leaving me with less time to safely get my speed down to40. A sweet spot for the police to rake in revenue while at the same time doing sweet fa to improve road safety.


Tut tut Dave, Hillberry corner? You can see it clearly from the exit of Brandish and with local knowledge you should expect to see the cops there at some point on any fine day!
Oh well........spilt milk and all that, stand by to have your wallet lightened and your ring piece widened. Sad Sad
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not just bikes they are cracking down on as I have been caught in my van twice in two weeks. Embarassed 36 in a 30 zone! Rolling Eyes First speeding ticket and points on my licence over 30 years. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
"A study (Clarke et al 2004) has indicated that there are 2 clear peaks in casualty age (21-25 & 31-35) "

https://www.bikelawyer.co.uk/bike-accident-statistics

Midlife crisis age is about 43 for men, 44 for women.

Also here's pretty graph showing more young people die from RTA's* than old farts

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/188253/_bcf/graph.jpg

* all not just motorcycle


That graph is, to use the technical term, a bit dodgy...

Older people are more likely to die for many reasons, primarily health related. Even if RTA deaths were unaffected by age then you would see a similar curve.

I'm not commenting on the rights or wrongs of the statistics behind the graph, but it is a perfect example of how to misrepresent the data to ensure the point is made whatever the reality.
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