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Tenthghost
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PostPosted: 00:55 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: your views on drugs Reply with quote

This is a serious thread and i really want to know peoples opinions. i've just got back from a club in Bedford now a few girls come over and started chatting to me and a good friend of mine. one of these girls decided to pull out a popper and snort in right in front of me and also offer me some. Now after me and my mate made a sharp exit. Now did i do the right thing i told the bouncer and brought the girl to his attention i then left.

Now do you think i did the right thing ?
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PostPosted: 00:57 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

not in my view

i like the idea of freedom, and poppers are pretty harmless in the long run, making a sharp exit is fair enough, but there was no real reason to report this girl

just my opinion though, if i wasnt in the job that i am, i would be regularly using various amount of several drugs
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PostPosted: 00:58 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think people should be allowed to do whatever they want. if someone wants to mash their brains on christ knows what then thats their business so long as they dont force it upon others.

weed and shrooms are okay in my book, i wouldnt do anything more though.
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PostPosted: 01:01 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anything natural is cool. I would try and live by that but you can't always get hold of natural weed nowadays.

Don't want to make you feel bad but I reckon it's incredibly harsh to dob someone in about poppers, you can buy them in Camden for godssake.

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PostPosted: 01:05 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally people should be allowed to do what they want as long as it is not endangering other people, as people should have enough common sense to find out a bit about something before using it. If they don't then life can be a very very steep learning curve Neutral and they might well be about to find out the hard way.

If people are pushing drugs onto others they should be punished as people should be free to make their own choices in life about pretty much all stuff.

The club security were probably more bothered as what they were doing is classed as dealing and the police would do them for supply so the club is right to act in that situation, as basically and the same with the police, they're putting more of their efforts into the suppliers as if they knock all of them out of the chain, then everyone further down is off as well.

People should basically be able to do what they want, but not forcing, or even trying to get people to join their way of life. That can go for drugs, it could go for religion it could go for anything which is basically different to the current life someone is living. And endangering others should be punished as there is no reason or logic behind people doing stuff which puts innocent people in danger.
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PostPosted: 01:12 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done mate! Thumbs Up

The world would be a better place without the use of illegal drugs, believe me.
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PostPosted: 01:12 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shrooms and marijuana for everyone!
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PostPosted: 01:13 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

evryone on this forum agrees that riding a bike, or speeding etc is all a calculated risk. you find out info then make the decisions yourself. drugs are exactly the same, its all a calculated risk.
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

DukeRed wrote:
you can buy them in Camden for godssake.


You can buy them and worse from bouncers quite often..

Theres a limit to what i'd say was a dangerous drug..

poppers, weed and possibly speed are not much of a big deal, CERTAINLY not nearly as dangerous as alcohol, do you know anyone who has died from marijuwana poisoning? (though having allot does affect your brain after time) but still i dont really drink either so...

the only reason i don't touch weed is the same reason i don't smoke, watched a family member die of throat cancer and its not nice.

I too think people should be allowed to do as they want, but i also think they should be responsible for their actions, i.e. we shouldn't be paying for it, smoking is taxed accordingly, as is alcohol, but smack isn't or cocaine or a number of other class a drugs...

Minor drugs lead to major drugs, everyone i know who went any further than weed ended up on serious stuff, resulting in one person being hospitalized numerous times, a couple of others i have not seen for years, i doubt they are holidaying in spain.
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PostPosted: 01:17 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly. Everything is a calculated risk. Life is, and everything is a risk and you weigh up the risk against the benefits from it. There is a time and a place for certain things and part of doing stuff like riding a bike, or driving a car, and some of the stuff you can do with them like speeding there are times and there are places where it is less suitable. The same with drug, and well everything in life really.

You just have to work out what the risks and be aware of the dangers and make your decision once you're informed and not just cos someone says "take this tablet it's fun!" as there is more to it than that. And this thing can be applied to life, as for a continued a good life it's probably a good way of going about things.
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PostPosted: 01:19 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with a lot of what you said Zero, especially about alcohol. Most people are too fooled to understand how much worse it is than other drugs (yes it is a drug). Though if "bad" drugs were legal and taxed they would still be cheaper than what you have to pay to a dealer.
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good example of how drugs such as marijuana do fit in with society is Holland. Great place if you like weed/shrooms, great place if you dont.
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PostPosted: 01:24 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaFrostyOne wrote:
evryone on this forum agrees that riding a bike, or speeding etc is all a calculated risk. you find out info then make the decisions yourself. drugs are exactly the same, its all a calculated risk.

But riding a bike and speeding doesn't tend to fund criminal organisations, who do a lot of other mean stuff.
Meanies.
But a bit of homegrown, if you wanna have your fun, go for it, I used to smoke weed, was fun for a while.
Stopped now, and stopped smoking normally.
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PostPosted: 01:27 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Josh wrote:

But riding a bike and speeding doesn't tend to fund criminal organisations, who do a lot of other mean stuff.
Meanies.
But a bit of homegrown, if you wanna have your fun, go for it, I used to smoke weed, was fun for a while.
Stopped now, and stopped smoking normally.


Well I consider Honda, kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha criminal orginasations.
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PostPosted: 01:29 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poppers are very tame. Sh1te but tame. You should not grass on people because they do things you don't. She is probably barred from the club now and may have lost out on a shag and for what?
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PostPosted: 01:42 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Josh wrote:

But riding a bike and speeding doesn't tend to fund criminal organisations,


Yeh something i'd forgoten, they are also the reason i dont like going to allot of areas in nottingham because its geting like the **** bronx, seriously rediculous, all drug related.
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PostPosted: 01:48 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

flip wrote:
She is probably barred from the club now and may have lost out on a shag and for what?


for doing something illegal? As people have said, you do drugs, you weigh up the risks. One of those is being caught doing drugs and being thrown out of whatever place you are in. She should have known that and if that's what's happened then she should have seen it coming!

I agree with what everyone has been saying - it's a risk and it's up to the individual to choose to take that risk. However it's all well and good for us strong-minded people to say that, but there are a lot of people who succumb to peer pressure pretty easily and who aren't going to find out all the info and weigh up the risks but are just going to do what their 'friends' tell them to do. You might say these people deserve what they get but it's not their fault if they're not as strong-willed as the rest of us...
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PostPosted: 02:10 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

"i'm not saying people are stupid, but why dont we just take the safety labels off things and let the problem solve itself?"

my attitude is the same for drugs. Some poeple know the risks yet still do stupid things, they deserve all they get. if you take up smoking despite health warnings, then die of lung cancer its your own fault and you deserve your fate for ignoring the warnings. same goes for all other drugs. even the thickest of people knows crack is addictive and bad for you and that it would be sensible to stay well away from it.

I dont like others making my decisions for me, and i would expect others feel the same way. hence my attitude is thus: "If you want to get yourself killed or arrested then so long as i am not envolved feel free to do so".
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PostPosted: 02:28 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

i much prefer weed than alcohol, still have fun, don't get a hangover, generally aren't sick. but thing of this.

you walking down an alleyway at 1 in the morning all on your own on the way back from a mates house, you come to a split, down 1 alley way theres 6 lads, all pissed out of there faces ruffing each other up and making a menance of themselves. the other alley is full of 6 lads giggling between themselves, obviously you would prefer to walking down the stoners alleyway. hell i think if alcohol is legal weed should be to. think, how many do you know on weed who have gone and done criminal damage or started a fight or harassed people, non i know of...
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PostPosted: 06:33 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well In my view Marijuna should be legal and I don't see anything majorly wrong in smoking it and I've never even touched the stuff myself!

Drugs like Heroin, Smack and Cocaine etc, I think,should stay illegal and anyone caught in possesion and/or using it should be dealt with severly, as these are the most common people get highly addicted to and fund there habit with crime.

Drugs like ecstacy and Ampethamines shouldn't be allowed either but I see these as recreational drugs and not on the same class as the 3 above, but people should still be punished if found with large quantities on them or if there pushing them in clubs etc!

I myself haven't touch an illegal drunk and I don't even smoke, but I do drink Alcohol.

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PostPosted: 08:27 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tried weed once at christmas, didn't really find anything facinating about it, it was actually quite boring and I just fell asleep anyway.

Getting drunk is much more fun! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now after me and my mate made a sharp exit. Now did i do the right thing i told the bouncer and brought the girl to his attention i then left.


Jeeze, talk about killjoy. Its only poppers anyway. It was a bit gay of you to do that, i mean they could have got in the shit from the police, messed up their night to no end.

Is poppers even illegal?

You shouldn't be a grass, and you should realise that when someone takes some harmless recreational drugs, its not the end of the world...

In a world that this messed up, why cant some people just have a bit of fun?

The bouncer probably laughed about it anyway...
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PostPosted: 08:55 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to clarify the only risk with poppers is they relax your arsehole sphincter muscles... Confused Confused They are completely legal, and are sold as room fresheners in most stoner shops, 2 for £5. Never felt the need to do it, but no harm in it. Its apparently about a minute high then you feel shite. Its basically as illegal as her taking a lungfull of the impulse shes carrying in her bag, most bouncer probs did is have a word with her to be more careful.

As for drugs on the whole, they are perfectly fine... long as you dont want to pass an exam any time soon. I lost a gf a while ago, and spent from about october last year to easter this year in a perpetual daze. Lets just say the revision classes before my exams where pretty much my first time of being taught it (as i came off the pot about... easter +2weeks ish).

Now it narks me off when people sit their and say that pots a gateway drug, and soon youll be shoving methodrone up your arse. Pisses me off. Weed is just like booze. You dont start on snowballs and progress through malibu to vodka then ONLY absinthe bar all other drinks. You drink what you like. I like weed. Altho we mainly get dirty hash round here.

In my advice, watch the film 'human traffic', it pretty much describes the whole drugs thing, altho it mainly focuses on ecstacy which i have never tried, it does go a tad into pot. I mean it would surprise you guys how common pot is. My local, there is ALWAYS a joint going. And on the way back from a club friday night my mate smoked a joint THROUGH the ticket check at the station. The police no longer care really. Two of my mates got caught with a lot of pot and money on them yesterday, and the pigs let them go on it, and they had LOTS! So frankly the chances of the girl being arrested for having a legal room freshener on her is unlikely.

Get some facts before preaching please people.
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PostPosted: 09:03 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

what u did was tight m8, no doudb bout it,

i smoke special fags, does that make me a master criminal??
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 27 Jun 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two points:

There is certain degree of hypocrisy concerning 'illegal drugs' and society. I forget the figure but billions of pounds are spent on alcohol related problems - crime, drink driving, hospitals whatever, yet the government continues to encourage people to drink.

Drugs, specifically 'soft' ones, are not going to cause anything like the problems that occur when people get totally mashed. In the 1830's we went to war with the Chinese over Opium (heroin) as they were blockading our supplies! In 1928 a treaty was signed in Cairo declaring cocaine & heroin were illegal. The Egyptian threw in a late clause regarding marijuana as most of their labourers spent their days in cafe's smoking hashish from hookahs and thus it became illegal.

Today the government turns a blind eye to the cultivation of poppies ( that eventually makes heroin) in Afganistan as it is helping to recover the economy in that country.

Basically, as I am sure you know Wink you can get any drug, anytime anywhere. The revenues end up in the hands of a few criminals and terrorists who have no scruples. The penetration of illegal drugs in our society is so great that a 'crackdown' or 'get tough' policy will do nothing to solve the problem.

What governments need to do is take control of the market and regulate it.

The second point - yes you were wrong to tell the bouncer about the poppers. What did you have to gain? I say live and let live.
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