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 Posted: 12:23 - 30 Jul 2013  Post subject: Newbie...confused with (New UK)bike test rules.... |
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Hello  
I have an interest in motors in general...(i'm a boy what do you expect  ) anyways ive been looking to be able to ride a motorbike for awhile now, but not got round to doing it.
After my dad got a Honda cbr1100xx last month... (after a long break of not using a bike... and many other models before that including another cbr1100xx) I have been more keen to get myself started.
But, i realise that from January 2013... there have been changes to Bike tests in the UK.... ive had a look at these and am really confused as to what my options are, so i am here asking for help to clarify what i can do to do this......
I would love to have a Honda 600 Hornet. (as a dream bike)...
but want to start of with a 125 first. been looking at honda cbf 125.
i am 20 years of age,(21 in October) i am 5'9 and weigh about 60kg.
so my question is.... what is the process to be able to legally ride a 600cc bike....(dont think i need anything bigger. 600 is plenty fast)
what i know so far... i need to do a CBT....and a theory test for bike (even though i already have a full Uk car license) ... then i believe i am supposed to take a module 1 and 2 test to be on the road as a bike rider , not a learner. but this is only permitted for 125cc... then what? i know previously you wait 2 years and you automatically upgrade to unlimited (according to my dad)
do i really have to do so many test to be able to ride a bigger bike? what about DAS .... i heard i had to be 25 to be able to ride a big bike, this cant be true, can it?
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You can do the A2 test which allow up to 47bhp bike. There's not many natural 47bhp bikes around, but there's plenty that can be restricted down. And yes, you need to do a CBT & the theory tests as well. After 2 years riding on an A2, or at age 24, you can take the A tests, just the MOD1 & 2 to get a fully unrestricted license.
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| shaanaleem92 wrote: | So lets for the sake of it say... i do my CBT and pass my theory test by Next week.... I can do an A2 test straightaway?
can all bikes be restricted? and how do you do this?
and what is the rough cost of the A2 test? ( i take it goes A1, A2 then A)
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Not all bikes can be restricted, it can't be twice the power for example (that's bhp not cc), and then there's some weight calculations to consider. But most 600/650 can be restricted.
The problem with A2, and A, tests is that you pretty much have to use a school, which means it costs. Have a look around your local schools for a DAS course. They tend to range from £300 to £800 depending on whether they include the CBT and test fees, and how many days of training. A 4 day A2 DAS course in Suffolk costs £399 and includes the CBT, but not the test fees: theory £30, MOD1 15, MOD2 £75.
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| Efes123 wrote: | | shaanaleem92 wrote: | So lets for the sake of it say... i do my CBT and pass my theory test by Next week.... I can do an A2 test straightaway?
can all bikes be restricted? and how do you do this?
and what is the rough cost of the A2 test? ( i take it goes A1, A2 then A)
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Not all bikes can be restricted, it can't be twice the power for example (that's bhp not cc), and then there's some weight calculations to consider. But most 600/650 can be restricted.
The problem with A2, and A, tests is that you pretty much have to use a school, which means it costs. Have a look around your local schools for a DAS course. They tend to range from £300 to £800 depending on whether they include the CBT and test fees, and how many days of training. A 4 day A2 DAS course in Suffolk costs £399 and includes the CBT, but not the test fees: theory £30, MOD1 15, MOD2 £75. |
ahhh i see, chees for that... will have a look around... is there not a cheaper way to go about it? albeit it may take longer..if just take each test as it comes etc? (dont see why i should do that though)
DAS A2 with CBT and theory already done is probs what ill do
do you happen to know if a honda 600 hornet can be restricted? |
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| shaanaleem92 wrote: | ahhh i see, chees for that... will have a look around... is there not a cheaper way to go about it? albeit it may take longer..if just take each test as it comes etc? (dont see why i should do that though)
DAS A2 with CBT and theory already done is probs what ill do
do you happen to know if a honda 600 hornet can be restricted? |
Now you ask What I'd do these days is:
Take my cbt - cost around £120
Take my theory - £30
Buy a cheap Jap 125 - cost £500 to £1,000
Bimble around on my 125 for a few months
Take my MOD1 & 2 on the 125 - Cost £90
Bimble around a bit more, practicing on any minors I got on my tests
Book a days training on an A2 bike - Cost £60 to £90
Book another day with training school for MOD1 & 2 - Costs £60 to £90 for school & £90 for tests
bob's your uncle, job done
Sell 125 - prob get £500 to £1,00 for it, unless you've damaged it badly
Buy new bike
Total cost £510 against £519 (£399 + £120) for DAS. It's not much cheaper admittedly, but;
You can take it at your own pace
Doing the tests on the 125 let you know what to expect when it comes to the test using the school's bike
If you fail on the 125, it only costs you the test fees, rather than them plus the school fees
Doing it this way, when you come to do DAS, all you have to do is get used to the bigger bike. You know you can pass the tests 
You can practice as much as you want on your 125 in-between lessons/tests etc.
When you come to take your DAS tests, the examiners already know you are a competent rider, every little helps.
Yes, this way might take longer, but unless you're really confident of passing the tests first time on a DAS, it works out a damn sight cheaper. and less stressful. The odds of failing at least one of your MODs are about 50/50.
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The 1998-2006 Hornet claims 97bhp which is just the wrong side of the 70kW hard limit. Get caught riding a bike that's not suitable for your license and you are (pretty axiomatically) Driving Otherwise Than In Accordance = 6 points, several hundred £££, bike is likely to be seized (£150+ to retrieve) and you might get done for no insurance as well.
However, you may be hard pushed to find anyone who knows that, or really cares. It's a very silly piece of Eurotardism, and having a piece of paper that says "This bike has been restricted to 35kW" will probably see you right for all practical purposes.
However, horse before cart, you do need a license of some sort.
You might as well get your theory booked now, it's really not that hard. You can get a theory test DVD from most supermarkets that covers it. Do practise the hazard clips, as they're essentially a game where you need to work out where the DSA expect you to see the hazard "developing".
CBT is a laugh, enjoy it.
Next is deciding whether to get a 125. It used to be a pretty sensible idea because you had the option to get a proper license on one. Now, it's a trickier decision.
Be aware that many of the cheapest underwriters will only insure 125s, so if you get one and then get licensed up and want a bigger bike you may find that you can't switch the insurance over. If so, expect to get hit with a cancellation admin fee rather than receiving a refund. 
It still sort of makes sense, but 125s are (paradoxically) relatively hard to ride. Wobbly, budget suspension and brakes, need to be thrashed everywhere.
Now, I probably wouldn't bother, but it really depends on how well you get on during the CBT. If you're a natural, straight to A2 training and test. If you want more practice, buy a cheap 125 and rag it around for a while.
As to doing it on the cheap, it is possible, but that's in the advanced class. You'll need a find a suitable A2 test bike (and there actually aren't that many), insurance that covers you to ride it on a provisionaL, and do enough "private road" practice to give you a chance to pass.
This all sounds like a ball-ache, and it is. But please don't be put off. It'll be well worth it in the end, biking is just ace.
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thanks for all the help . i now know what to do , (or what i can do )
tbh, it does indeed put you off with all the tests and what not... but im sure ill get round to it...only gotta wait 2 years before i can upgrade to an unrestricted license after that.
ermmm, ill think i will....do my theory and CBT in the months to come...
is there a long waiting list generally?
then get a cheapish 125cc... use it abit, cant beat practise i guess...
then in october when i hit 21... do my A2 test... or something like that.
i think ill be alright... ive ridden a bike before... not in this country... but it was only a 70cc, but at the age of 14 it was fun enough lol.
after that... probs stay on 125 for a year.. save up... build up no claims ... sell 125 and get a restricted hornet.... after second year...take A test and take out restrictor and i should be good enough to go
(not sure if this would help, but i passed my car driving test when i was 17 with only 5 driving lessons and 20 hours total driving time) |
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Sounds good, confidence really helps with the tests.
If you're planning to keep a 125 for a year (and can stick to that) then it does make sense to do so. It is a good learning experience, although IMO you're actually safer on a bigger bike without L plates.
You might also find insurance on 125s to be surprisingly high, because they get stacked a lot. My GPZ500S was a straight swap from a 125.
But they are cheap to run if you do the servicing yourself, and great fun in a pick-it-up-and-dust-yourself-off way. Enjoy.
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| shaanaleem92 wrote: | So will it be cheaper to get insurance on a restricted hornet? |
You cant restrict a hornet. We've already told you that!
Well... you can... but not to be in complience with the licence you can have at the moment!
A2 licence lets you ride a bike up to 45bhp, restricted from no more than 90. Hornets make more than 90. You cant restrict one.
You can only have bikes that make 90bhp or less before restritcion, and THEN only if they are heavy enough.
If they are under, I think its 175Kg, then you have to restrict beneath 45bhp to meet minimum power to weight requirement, and then the max power of the bike that might be restricted cant be more than double what you have to restrict it down to.
I think its the KTM EX300, that despite only making something like 50bhp, barely over the 45bhp max power limit, is so light at 100Kg, that to meet maximum power to weight you have to restrict it down to about 24bhp..., which is less more than half original power, hence not in complience with A2.
MEANWHILE... 600's you THINK will be fast enough for you.... [cough] yeah.... well...
I would hope that most people would think that a 600 is probably more than fast enough for ANYONE.... let alone a fresh-faced newby!
100bhp is class 'usual' power for a modern 'sports' 600.
Same sort of power as a Pan Euro, or even a 1200 Bandit, or even a GSX1400, and many many more.
Even the 60bhp of a pretty humble XJ600 diversion is nowt to be sniffed at. Thats enough for a genuine 125Mph and a super-car rates of acceleration.
Meanwhile.... a 'humble' and oft ridiculed little 125 Learner Legal, can still out accelerate most traffic, and break the national speed limit, hence go faster than anything else is legally allowed to in this country... and could still loose you your licence... if you were a dick with it.... you'd just have to try harder than some-one on a 600 Hornet!
My advice? Empty your head of aspirations and pre-conceptions; start at the beginning; go do your CBT on a 125.
Right here, right now, the little YBR or whatever you do it on is likely to be truly AWSOME... for simple reason its all 'new' to you.
After that? Well, time on a tiddler is rarely wasted.... I', twice your age, and hapily ride one, they are not to be scoffed at just because they are little. As said, still plenty fast enough, and useful enough for most stuff... just not so 'exiting'... and big bikes 'exiting' tends to be 'expensive' with it.
600's? Personally I'd tell you to forget them.
A2? Yup, useful. But ideal bike to restrict down to A2 complience is a 500 or 650 twin. Closer to the licence limit, before restruction, they tend to take restriction better. Meanwhile, the 600 class is loaded on insurance being the most popular, and the one most numpties crash bikes in. 500 twins are a lot cheaper to insure, often barely any more than a 125.
Some, more humble 500's can actually be cheaper to insure than some more pretentiouse 125's!
Meanwhile; a 45bhp Suzuki GS500 or Honda CB500... may not be the most inspiring machine in the world, but restricted, still got as much go as anything else you could legally ride on an A2, and that's a 120mph motorcycle that's as quick of the line as a Toyota Supra Turbo wotsitz, and more than capable enough to be hooned about in the twisties; that will deliver a lot of rider feed-back and sensation, making it feel a fuck-site faster than something more heavily castrated, and giving you some apreciation of how a bike behaves when you get silly with it, that the strangled sports bike wouldn't.... well, not until it was too late for you to do bog all about it, least wise.
Start at the beginning; take it a step at a time, and DONT RUSH... rushing is quick way to get hurt on a motorbike.
Start with your CBT, take it from there, and a 125 is not a bad way to begin, a 500 twin a good way to progress from that... and 600's? Maybe sometime when you have worked your way up to them.
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | | shaanaleem92 wrote: | So will it be cheaper to get insurance on a restricted hornet? |
You cant restrict a hornet. We've already told you that!
Well... you can... but not to be in complience with the licence you can have at the moment!
A2 licence lets you ride a bike up to 45bhp, restricted from no more than 90. Hornets make more than 90. You cant restrict one.
You can only have bikes that make 90bhp or less before restritcion, and THEN only if they are heavy enough.
If they are under, I think its 175Kg, then you have to restrict beneath 45bhp to meet minimum power to weight requirement, and then the max power of the bike that might be restricted cant be more than double what you have to restrict it down to.
I think its the KTM EX300, that despite only making something like 50bhp, barely over the 45bhp max power limit, is so light at 100Kg, that to meet maximum power to weight you have to restrict it down to about 24bhp..., which is less more than half original power, hence not in complience with A2.
MEANWHILE... 600's you THINK will be fast enough for you.... [cough] yeah.... well...
I would hope that most people would think that a 600 is probably more than fast enough for ANYONE.... let alone a fresh-faced newby!
100bhp is class 'usual' power for a modern 'sports' 600.
Same sort of power as a Pan Euro, or even a 1200 Bandit, or even a GSX1400, and many many more.
Even the 60bhp of a pretty humble XJ600 diversion is nowt to be sniffed at. Thats enough for a genuine 125Mph and a super-car rates of acceleration.
Meanwhile.... a 'humble' and oft ridiculed little 125 Learner Legal, can still out accelerate most traffic, and break the national speed limit, hence go faster than anything else is legally allowed to in this country... and could still loose you your licence... if you were a dick with it.... you'd just have to try harder than some-one on a 600 Hornet!
My advice? Empty your head of aspirations and pre-conceptions; start at the beginning; go do your CBT on a 125.
Right here, right now, the little YBR or whatever you do it on is likely to be truly AWSOME... for simple reason its all 'new' to you.
After that? Well, time on a tiddler is rarely wasted.... I', twice your age, and hapily ride one, they are not to be scoffed at just because they are little. As said, still plenty fast enough, and useful enough for most stuff... just not so 'exiting'... and big bikes 'exiting' tends to be 'expensive' with it.
600's? Personally I'd tell you to forget them.
A2? Yup, useful. But ideal bike to restrict down to A2 complience is a 500 or 650 twin. Closer to the licence limit, before restruction, they tend to take restriction better. Meanwhile, the 600 class is loaded on insurance being the most popular, and the one most numpties crash bikes in. 500 twins are a lot cheaper to insure, often barely any more than a 125.
Some, more humble 500's can actually be cheaper to insure than some more pretentiouse 125's!
Meanwhile; a 45bhp Suzuki GS500 or Honda CB500... may not be the most inspiring machine in the world, but restricted, still got as much go as anything else you could legally ride on an A2, and that's a 120mph motorcycle that's as quick of the line as a Toyota Supra Turbo wotsitz, and more than capable enough to be hooned about in the twisties; that will deliver a lot of rider feed-back and sensation, making it feel a fuck-site faster than something more heavily castrated, and giving you some apreciation of how a bike behaves when you get silly with it, that the strangled sports bike wouldn't.... well, not until it was too late for you to do bog all about it, least wise.
Start at the beginning; take it a step at a time, and DONT RUSH... rushing is quick way to get hurt on a motorbike.
Start with your CBT, take it from there, and a 125 is not a bad way to begin, a 500 twin a good way to progress from that... and 600's? Maybe sometime when you have worked your way up to them. |
thanks for clearing that up... i get it now ...
btw when i said 600 is plenty fast it means i would never get a bike higher than 600cc even after 20 years of riding. it was the aim of a dream bike
just went on the back of a suzuki bandit 1250, was fun
yes i will take a look into cbt and book my theory test
p.s. im not rushing |
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