 i feed ma cat Derestricted Danger
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 Posted: 00:43 - 31 Aug 2013 Post subject: Re: need an advice regarding 125cc |
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Bigger doesn't have to be 600cc....
There are a lot of bikes over 125, that aren't any bigger, heavier or more unwieldy; in fact, some are actually lighter, and or easier to handle.
Eg's:
Yamaha YZF R125.: Compromised for sporty style; riding position isn't the best for round town visability or comfort. 14.5bhp, 127Kg, 75mpg at a push, 55mpg on a good day, Insurance group 6.
Honda CB250RS: 'Sporting Single' Commuter; its got narrowish bars and a more neutral riding position. 26bhp, 145Kg, 90mph, 75mpg, insurance group 3-4.
Suzuki DR350: Conventional On-Off Road-bike; 30bhp; 118Kg; 80mph; 45mpg, Insurance group 8.
Yamaha XT125R: Conventional On-Off roader; 12.5bhp; 118Kg, 70mph (REALLY pushing it!); 55mph, Insurance group 5.
Yamaha WR125: 15bhp, 137Kg, 75mph (on a really good day); 50mpg, Insurance group 7.
Honda CBR125: (Pre 2011). 13bhp, 70mph, 115Kg, 70mpg, Insurance group 6.
Honda CBR250: 26bhp; 160Kg; 90mph, 65mpg, Ins Group 13.
Yamaha YBR250: 21bhp, 90mph, 138Kg, 70mpg; Insurance group 5..
Yamaha YBR125: 210bhp, 70mph (maybe), 113Kg, 90mpg; Insurance group 4..
Specs dont show the full story, but, do give clue. More 'mundane' over 125cc bikes tend not to command such silly prices as fancy must have 125's; so you get a lot more bike for your money; stand a better chance also of having not been thrashed to death by a succession of know nothing numpty owners with half a clue, learning by thier mistakes, and hammering brakes and fork-seals and stuff practicing test manouvers.
And the bonus's start stacking up for you. These aren't big, raucouse, 'noisy' bikes; they are big tiddlers. And along with chance to get a better standard of bike for your money, you are getting, what, twice the power; not huge performance gains all told, still talking sub 100mph machines, but, just that little extra that makes them a tad more useful on NSL roads and a bit more relaxed around town where you dont have to work the box so hard and can ride it on the throttle and have more 'response' there.
Ecconomy ?& running costs is pretty much ball-park the same as for a 125, and as taking the insurance groups with a pinch of salt; not having L-Plates declaring full licence you avoid the punitive loading on a Learner policy that is the equivalent of bringing them down a couple of groups.
Its ALL win, all for the sake of a few hours of your life facing the man with a clip-board for a personality, and need not be all that expensive.
| i feed ma cat wrote: | There was a thought to just go for a direct access and get full bike license , but i honestly dont like big bike due to they are too loud for me / sort of heavy and quite hard to maneuver. I like the MPG and the fact that they are light => 125cc. |
So you'll have to forgive me, but I REALLY don't accept your reasoning as valid. You can get everything you might from a 125, from a non learner-legal 'big tiddler' and more besides....
Would you like to do some research and reconsider that DAS option?
Of bikes you listed; I really wouldn't 'rate' the YZF-R125; its a posers machine. Its not a great learner bike, its all style over substance, and while 2nd hand prices aren't as stupid as they were, its still an expensive bike to buy and run for the performance it just doesn't have; and if you want 'cheap' biking, its just not.
If you are happy with the limited performance of a learner-legal; then the YBR is the best bike in the list for all-round bang for your buck; but it is a boring, uninspiring utiliterian bit of kit; cheapness and ease of living with it are the two things that make it shine.
CBF? Squares up against the YBR; with similar merits; slightly higher price tag, and dubiuousely more considered styling & apointments.
CBR? Old ones fit nicely between the CBF and the YZF-R125. Sporty-ish. Still a bit pretentious, but not as compromised or over-priced.
XT125, the old faithful. If you want something with knoblies, they are a useful if not overly inspiring tool for the job. At the moment though, prices are a little high for the old low tech lump they are; due to WR125 holding value well. Take the stats with a pinch of salt though, it wont do 70 very often.
Personally the Honda XR125 is the better buy at the moment; CG based lump is a little less sparkling; but we are talking miniscule degrees of slowness difference. And the Honda is the better supported machine. But of you want a real steel and not so bothered about real off-road ability, the CLR125 City-Fly, has the old, dependable, overhead cam XL125 engine, with a couple of extra ponies, better road manners and costs less.
BUT, all 125's are of limited performance; while being over-priced for the amount of bike you get.
Its a FULL licence, not a Big-Bike licence, no one will take it off you if you dont buy a machine at least 500cc within the year; and its a pass-port to SO MUCH more biking. Lerarner Restrictions are purely self imposed, at the end of the day.
And as said, you dont have to go out and get a 600Ninja-Shaddow-Bandit with open stubby-slash-cuts and an attitude. Plenty of 'sensible' bikes out there that are as friendly as sub 125 lightweights; and offer all the advantages you suggest you want from a 125 lightweight, and more besides; ALL for taking tests.
Think long and hard about it. Really.
I ride tiddlers on a full licence for 'fun', and do appreciate that they aren't toys or kids bikes, they are useful, proper bikes; but if I had to make one earn its keep as every day commuter? No. I'd get a big-tiddler of some description. They just offer that much 'more' for your money. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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 i feed ma cat Derestricted Danger
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 Posted: 01:36 - 31 Aug 2013 Post subject: Re: need an advice regarding 125cc |
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It might be my laziness for not going for cat A , i had a bad experience with car theory test even though i used to drive for couple of years. It might be it that pushes me sort of away of doing it again , i dont think i will have problem with practical test cause i was riding big bikes before as well. But i totally agree with you that its stupid not to go for a cat A cause intend its a win. In the end i think its just me being lazy/stupid/w.e or its just bad time
Anyways i appreciate that stuff , cause its sort of gave me a picture what i was looking at and generally cleared some thoughts that i had regarding specific bikes.
I did more digging regarding CBR and didnt manage to find any bad reviews regarding those bikes.
There are CBR's 2008-2009 on gumtree with like 5k mileage , would that be a decent buy?
That's the CBF i was looking at https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CBF-125-M-D-/161093566281?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2581ecbf49 |
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