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Hi mate,
Anything 2 stroke will need more maintenance if that's what you mean. If it is 4 stroke it shouldn't need anything out of the ordinary.
As for riding on a CBT, that all depends on how old you are, what licences you already hold etc. more details needed 
More knowledgeable folk will no doubt be along shortly to advise better.
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| groovylee wrote: | Hi mate,
Anything 2 stroke will need more maintenance if that's what you mean. If it is 4 stroke it shouldn't need anything out of the ordinary.
As for riding on a CBT, that all depends on how old you are, what licences you already hold etc. more details needed
More knowledgeable folk will no doubt be along shortly to advise better. |
Hi m8, im 27, had a cbt 10 years ago and had an RS125 so i have a little experiance.
but i will be doing my cbt again but this time i will be doing my full bike test aswell, but i want a year on a 125 and cbt to get back used to riding and also practicing as ive been told how hard the new bike tests are, and that the new test also includes off-road bits aswell.
4 stroke would be preferable, as i know how much of a pain 2 strokes are or were, i dont know if they are more reliable now a days or not?....
but then again 4 strokes are more sluggish and would they cope with abit of off-roading?
Help! haha
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Posted: 21:59 - 25 Aug 2013  Post subject: Re: 125 cc for on/off roading |
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| saobrien555 wrote: | i live in the lakes which makes an on/off roader ideal for exploring. |
Green-Laning.... you cannot just go 'exploring' riding anywhere that looks interesting and like a track or trail.
You may only ride legally 'off-road' on land you own or have permission to ride on.
Everything else, all 'public access' routes are subject to road-law; and to ride a motorbike down anything that looks like an 'off-road' tract, it has to legally be a ROAD, not a foot-path or bridle path or anything else.
Means you dont go explore.... you RESEARCH and have to check maps and legal rights of way on unsurfaced routes.
And in the Lakes? Almost everything you might ride is covered by the permit scheme... you have to apply to the LDNPA and get a permit, for the day and specific trails you want to ride so they can send the rangers out to open the gates for you.
Anything else? Chances are you are are illegal to ride; they are forestry commission access tracks, or bridleways or footpaths.
Ride them; get caught... and they are hot on it now due to damage caused... they take the bike, & crush. Being prosecuted for whatever else they can on top.
Think long and hard about what you want to do and what you THINK you may do, and go find out what you might LEGALLY do.
Think your romantic ideas about exploring the great off-road may rather be at odds with the reality of riding unsurfaced roads.
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I have an XR 125, which's a cheap, basic bike with a bullet-proof engine. It's rather slow and boring tho. The more exciting alternative's the 2 stroke Yamaha DT, or the Yamaha WR if you really want a 4 stroke (but both are more expensive).
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| Posted: 23:08 - 25 Aug 2013 Post subject: Re: 125 cc for on/off roading |
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| saobrien555 wrote: | jeez get a grip m8! |
Mitchelin X11 Trials Slicks give me plenty thanks.
While 30+ years of 'off-roading' suggest I know a little about what I speak.
You cant LEGALLY just ride where you want.
And in the lakes? Where the bobble hatters rule... you need to be DAMN sure you know what you are doing.
If you want to have a go at it, can tell you how to go about it; but, be prepared for it to be a lot less thrilling that you expect; its nothing like free-style motocross; they are public roads, with a 25mph speed limit.
So... back on track... what do you want to do? Learn to ride a motorbike? Tool for the job would be a CG125 or YBR125... and to be honest, for the sort of off-roading you have to do on the 'off-road' part of the tests, they are perfect... 'off-road' means not on public highway... so the 'off-road' test is on a big tennis court!
However, YBR or CG is perfectly adequete for a little legal green-laning..... its an unsurfaced road, not a motocross course. Like I said.. think your ideas of 'off-road' might be a little romantic.
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| Posted: 23:31 - 25 Aug 2013 Post subject: Re: 125 cc for on/off roading |
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | | saobrien555 wrote: | jeez get a grip m8! |
Mitchelin X11 Trials Slicks give me plenty thanks.
While 30+ years of 'off-roading' suggest I know a little about what I speak.
You cant LEGALLY just ride where you want.
And in the lakes? Where the bobble hatters rule... you need to be DAMN sure you know what you are doing.
If you want to have a go at it, can tell you how to go about it; but, be prepared for it to be a lot less thrilling that you expect; its nothing like free-style motocross; they are public roads, with a 25mph speed limit.
So... back on track... what do you want to do? Learn to ride a motorbike? Tool for the job would be a CG125 or YBR125... and to be honest, for the sort of off-roading you have to do on the 'off-road' part of the tests, they are perfect... 'off-road' means not on public highway... so the 'off-road' test is on a big tennis court!
However, YBR or CG is perfectly adequete for a little legal green-laning..... its an unsurfaced road, not a motocross course. Like I said.. think your ideas of 'off-road' might be a little romantic. |
i have no doubt that you know what you are talking about, and i appreciate the advice, thanks.
ive not just moved to the lakes, ive lived here all my life and i know where to and where not to go, but cheers for the advise.
what im looking for is a road legal 125 that is suitable for "green laning" (just looked that up on the net).
i can ride as i had my cbt when i was 17, had a rs 125.
i want to get my full licence but i haven't ridden 10 years, and ive been told that the bike test now has an off road element, hence the reason for wanting an on/off roader so i can practice that element of it.
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For 'off road element' read 'in a car park element' not 'muddy trail element' The off road section of the tests is LITERALLY off the road, and is done at an approved test centre, so no need to worry about a dual purpose bike for the tests. Tbh you would prob be best going for the bikes tef suggested, get your year out of the way, do your tests then buy something bigger and better suited to a bit of green laning.
Good luck m8 
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| saobrien555 wrote: | If you can read you will see that i am not a teenager. apologies for spelling mate with an 8 its a habit.
just because he is an experienced member of the forum doesn't mean i deserve criticism or a lesson in the law for using the term "explore" .
i agree with what he is saying and that i cant just go anywhere, but i know the places i can go and can not go, as i am a keen MBXer and we share routes with motor bikers, and i know which routes motor bikers cant go on.
within 2 posts you have labeled me as a trespassing, law breaking, delusional, spoilt brat!
Whats the crack like? all i asked for was abit of advice on what bike to get as i felt the people on this forum could help me out as i don't really know what im looking for.
i didn't ask for advice on bylaws, trespassing and causing criminal damage. |
Ok, so you're not a teenager - I apologise for making the assumption. You say you last rode a bike 10 years ago, so that would make you a minimum of 26, and someone thought you were a teenager... make of that what you will.
But, on topic. I would like to give a bit of green laning a go myself and am considering a bike that would be more capable of this when my insurance is due for renewal next year (not paying admin fee to change bikes).
The bikes I am looking at are the likes of the Honda XR 125 and Yamaha XT 125 - those sorts of things. Although I personally think for what they are, these bikes seem to be going for more money than what they are realistically worth so you might also consider a more road orientated bike like Tef recommended - the Honda CG 125 or Yamaha YBR 125.
There are also 2 stroke alternatives like the Yamaha DT 125; however, if you want to do it all proper and legal, this bike when de-restricted (the majority of them are) actually produces more power than you are allowed on a CBT (although you said you rode an RS 125 on a CBT so that probably doesn't bother you); although the likelihood of you being done for this would be quite slim. Also, if you were to go for a 2 stroke you would need to keep on top of maintenance and be aware of the fact that you wouldn't be able to take your test on one of these, you would need to hire an instructors bike at a cost.
However, as you have said you wanted an off road bike for the "off road" part of the test and have since found out that this part is not quite what you thought, you probably don't even want an off roader now.
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The guy said he was 27 in his 2nd post (before you called him a teenager)  Back on topic, off road bikes do go for more than there road oriented counterparts, but they hold there value too. The reason why I wouldn't go for an XR (in retrospect) or an XT is they have boring (but reliable) engines. I believe the XR has a CG engine & the XT the same engine as the YBR.
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | What did you think it was? Riding over logs & through rivers  |
Sorry, saobrien555, not ripping the piss out of you, but idea of 'Off-Road' mod 1 has sent me off on one!
Auto-Cycle-Weekly
New Mod 1 Motorcycle Test Piloted in the Lakes.
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Ever striving to improve road safety through improved driver skills, The Windemere office of the DSA is considering piloting a new 'Super-Mod-1' off-road motorcycle test. Taking inspiration from the sport of trials, new manouvers will include a new evasive manouver...
https://www.theinsightonline.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/motorcycle-trials.jpg
The Vertical Swerve. The examiner, on the car, will mark the candidate both for technical and artistic merit; candidates must not leave a tyre print on the car.
With ever increasing motorcycle performance they would also seek to increase the demands of the slow-speed control elements of the test. Not demonstrating 'Knee-Down', however will only be scored as a 'minor' not a fail.
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This will include a more complex series of manouvers through the cones, and as most motorcycle accidents occur in advese weather, a new 'skid-pan' control element.
https://images.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/xlarge/RocktheRedMotoGymkhana5.jpg
With more people taking to two wheels due to high fuel prices for commuting; seeing many more motorcycles attempting to filter through city traffic; the new test will also include a number of tests of motorcycle to motorcycle co-ordination and formation riding.
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This element, is aparently to test a candidates ability to cope with road-works.
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However the new 'Washboard' section of the proposed test, designed to test a riders ability to control a motorcycle bucking and weaving over the broken surface of a typical council maintained road, is probably not severe enough to be fully representative of real road conditions, but was the best they could do under the constraints of the DSA budget. It was explained that this skill would be more thoroughly tested in the Mod 2 test, when candidates would be asked to negotiate a real council maintained street.
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A new 'drift' test, to be performed in the speed loop portion of the test, under speed-trapped conditions, will test a rider's ability to control a motorcycle under the inevitable situation of a diesel spill.
And If you think that this is the government trying to make people jump through ever more ridiculous hoops of bureaucracy......
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Well, the 'fire-Jump' is said to test a riders cool under pressure, of a typical inner city commute.... though there is debate that the test, proposed by a member of the Manchester office isn't representative of ALL cities.
Suggestion that these proposed new manouvers are merely yet further attempt to reduce rider numbers by punative testing for the motorcycle licence are strongly denied while it is pointed out that it is merely the policy of Brussels Directive EE3726.17 Sub Paragraph 42, section 171.4, to continually make ever more bizare and strange laws and regulations to baffle the population, and ensure that the millions of Eurocrats currently employed to review government proposals are not dumped onto the dole queue....
This IS a seriouse threat to society, and poses greater risk of utter ecconomic calapse than China calling in all outstanding US currency credit.
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^^^^^^^ great now i want to take my bike test again 
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