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Suntan Sid
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Mandatory Speed Limiters on your bike! Reply with quote

Marvellous, Rolling Eyes the, unelected, Eurocrats want to fit speed limiters to all vehicles!

Euro Nonsense here!

A recipe for disaster, if ever there was one!

I'd like to predict a riot, but apathy will win out, no doubt!
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't see it happening.
In fact, I can see it.being smited down as dangerous.for bike. Imagine accelerating out of a corner and your bike suddenly bangs the brakes on because you're going "too fast", your line goes to shit, and you end up in a bush.
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didnt some kitten protector suggest this a few years back?
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
I agree with this fully, far too many bikes made for the road nowadays that are way too fast for the road, and way beyond what is ever necessary.

There's no reason not to limit bikes to 75 or 80mph or so to stop the idiots, sensible ones won't be affected.


Back in your box Grandad Laughing

No doubt it will happen at some point, but hopefully not before I turn into PhilDawson.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will never happen, too much money will be lost from speeding tickets
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think how easy it will become to get your car license if you're a mong and just keep your foot flat down regardless Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was said before,

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What happens if you need to roll on to get out of trouble?
Overtaking will no longer be an option...


It's another way of removing responsibility from the driver in the same way the auto braking under 10mph bollocks.
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt it will happen any time soon, not in the way, the article suggests, ie automatic detection of speed limits!
Unless there is a 100% guarantee, (which is impossible), that the technology will never put anyone in danger and will never fook up, then it's a non starter, IMO!
Even if the systems were infalible, there are too many scenarios were this technology is going to result in injury and death!
The lawyers must be rubbing their hands together in anticipation of the, mahoosive, compensation claims looming on the horizon. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:

There's no reason not to limit bikes to 75 or 80mph or so to stop the idiots, sensible ones won't be affected.

You definition of 'sensible' differs from that of the Police, who are quite happy for you to considerably exceed that on a bike safe day.

I very much doubt it would be using brakes, especially on a bike - more likely to cut the fuel.
Probably coming in softly, so over a second or two your acceleration reduces.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My current bike is almost 20 years old. If they were to go ahead with something like this, I'd buy the latest model bike I could that doesn't have the technology (maybe two, keep one for spares) and that would pretty much sort me until I pop me clogs.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
It will never happen, too much money will be lost from speeding tickets


Very little from speeding tickets really. Say 2m tickets a year in the UK, £60 a pop means £120m which is nothing compared to government spending. About an hours and a halfs worth of government spending.

Where the money comes into it is with speed camera partnerships, but they are just minor pyramid financed scams and not really much to do with organising where they can scam money from

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PostPosted: 15:16 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
Think how easy it will become to get your car license if you're a mong and just keep your foot flat down regardless Laughing

I imagine that's exactly how everyone will be conditioned to drive, particularly as 20 increasingly becomes the new 30.

"It'll never happen" is a ridiculous position to take. If the United States of Europe continues, then it absolutely will happen. The question is whether we'll be mashing the "Go" button in our 2kW Eco Toil Unit Electro-Transport Pods in five years or fifty.

Topically, I've just been on WeMoto ordering a smaller front sprocket to downgear ze Beemer. I could see that becoming increasingly popular, except that Nanny Brussels already have a lob on for banning drivetrain modifications for bikes.

Hopefully Mrs Borg will be spending my life insurance money by the time this particular bit of soul crushing is forced on us.
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I imagine that's exactly how everyone will be conditioned to drive, particularly as 20 increasingly becomes the new 30.


"Conditioning" has already been acheived, on UK roads!
Morons driving at 10mph below the limit everywhere, in a rolling roadblock, all the particants hoping that the cretin at the front knows what the speed limit is! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

They were working on Intelligent Speed Adaptation at Leeds Uni when I was working there 10 years ago. They fitted it to a fleet of Skoda Fabias and conducted tests over a couple of years.

I'm not 100% certain but I don't recall a single accident caused by any of the fleet although I seem to remember one being hit by a woman driver while it was stationary.

It was concluded that while it was fundamentally a good idea the reality of all cars being fitted with it, as opposed to only a few, was incredibly different.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So we end up with yet another piece of gizzmo on our bikes Rolling Eyes
Wont be long before someone finds a way round it/disconnecting it? I hope?
Maybe a gizzmo on the side of the road that sends a signal to your bike to slow down? .... could it be that they might catch fire?/spontaneously combust Wink
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
I agree with this fully, far too many bikes made for the road nowadays that are way too fast for the road, and way beyond what is ever necessary.

There's no reason not to limit bikes to 75 or 80mph or so to stop the idiots, sensible ones won't be affected.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/110009/2158901-851ac22e_d61912a9_cant_tell_if_serious.jpeg

Really though, I can't see this ever being passed, the amount of politicians that have been caught speeding and clearly like to power down to their tax-payer funded london homes from their mansions in the outer-areas.
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nexus Icon wrote:
They were working on Intelligent Speed Adaptation at Leeds Uni when I was working there 10 years ago. They fitted it to a fleet of Skoda Fabias and conducted tests over a couple of years.

I'm not 100% certain but I don't recall a single accident caused by any of the fleet

I submit that your fleet was 2 cars both driven by DSA examiners for a total of 1000 miles.

If that's not the case, then it's really up to you to provide more meaningful context.

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Really though, I can't see this ever being passed

#1 "Ever" is a long time. You may think it takes a long time to go down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to Ever.

#2 European legislation isn't "passed", it is only rejected. The Parliament - the people that "we" "vote" for - very rarely rejects anything.

Brussels thrives on complacency and apathy. Squealing and struggling when they're balls deep and in the legislative vinegar strokes just inflames them.
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Incidentally, none of this 'Satellites beaming you the speed limit' stuff - bet it'd be exactly like the GPS nav devices that show the speed limit. Except connected to your injectors, or course. Probably tracking, too.

What happens when it decides you're on the 30 next to the motorway not the motorway will be interesting Smile - but it should be easy to program for that and possible they even do now as I haven't had that for ages!
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
I imagine that's exactly how everyone will be conditioned to drive, particularly as 20 increasingly becomes the new 30.


"Conditioning" has already been acheived, on UK roads!
Morons driving at 10mph below the limit everywhere, in a rolling roadblock, all the particants hoping that the cretin at the front knows what the speed limit is! Rolling Eyes


This ^

45mph seems to be the speed that EVERY car driver decides is the general limit, regardless of what speed limit they are in.
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

I submit that your fleet was 2 cars both driven by DSA examiners for a total of 1000 miles.

If that's not the case, then it's really up to you to provide more meaningful context.


From here:-

https://wiki.fot-net.eu/index.php?title=Intelligent_Speed_Adaptation_trials

The trial used a fleet of 20 Skoda Fabias, and 79 drivers over a period of 6 months. So any number of accidents would be tiny and statistically insignificant.

All they have claimed is that it keeps people to the speed limits, and then assumed that people driving slower will have less accidents......

From memory there was a trial a few years ago of a similar setup. They found it slowed people down in all conditions except fog. So one way to ensure that people go too quickly when it is most dangerous.

FretGrinder wrote:

45mph seems to be the speed that EVERY car driver decides is the general limit, regardless of what speed limit they are in.


That has been the case for the whole time I have been on the road. Not sure it has got any worse recently (possibly a bit more traffic to mean one person can screw up more peoples journeys)

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PostPosted: 19:02 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:
When's the referendum happening?


Forget it mate, it wont happen because those snivelling wretches in Parliament know full well it'll be voted out and they're frightened to death of that happening...............so much for 'Democracy' reflecting 'The Will of the People' Sick Sick Sick
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for hunting down the data, Keith.

The work certainly went on for the two years I was there, and for a few years after it seems, so I'm guessing the 6 months is the actual time spent on the road rather than building the equipment, fitting up the Skodas and collating the data.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 01 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Incidentally, none of this 'Satellites beaming you the speed limit' stuff - bet it'd be exactly like the GPS nav devices that show the speed limit. Except connected to your injectors, or course. Probably tracking, too.

What happens when it decides you're on the 30 next to the motorway not the motorway will be interesting Smile - but it should be easy to program for that and possible they even do now as I haven't had that for ages!


I took my sat nav on my canal boat. It kept thinking I was doing 4 miles an hour on the A5 Laughing
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