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| Will you vote for Ed Milliband in the next election? |
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The vast majority of those who bothered to vote in the 2011 referendum plumped for the status quo. I think it's pretty clear that the collective we are just fine with re-electing the same rosettes that our grandparents voted for.
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Labour's constant bashing of Conservative policies without any policies of their own means I have negative respect for them. That's right, negative respect.
| keggyhander wrote: | I'd rather vote for Screaming Lord Sutch. |
One of the better choices.
| Derivative wrote: | Both parties are essentially the same thing with minor tinkering at the edges. I'd genuinely love to see UKIP or the BNP or the Greens get in, purely on the hope that they'd actually change something, anything significantly. Even if it's personally negative for me, it'd be nice to see something more than a 1% change in this and a 20 quid increase in that.
Given the choice between the party for winners and the party for losers, though, I know who I'd rather choose.
I just find the vitriol a bit odd, because realistically, labour or tory, you lose or gain a few tenners for a few years. Damn, game over. |
UKIP are good, but the problem I have with them is the variable quality of the candidates at the lower levels. Farage would make a good PM, and many people agree, but ask them who they'd stick in his cabinet and it's a struggle to think of some good names. The BNP wouldn't get anything done, it would be constant coups of the leadership. The Greens would terminate what little economic activity we have left. As you say, LibLabCon are essentially the same and have little interest in what the public think or want. |
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Who are the two retard who say they will be voting for Red Ed?
Have you forgotten what Labour did to the country last time they were in power?  |
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| Derivative wrote: | Both parties are essentially the same thing with minor tinkering at the edges. I'd genuinely love to see UKIP or the BNP or the Greens get in, purely on the hope that they'd actually change something, anything significantly. Even if it's personally negative for me, it'd be nice to see something more than a 1% change in this and a 20 quid increase in that.
Given the choice between the party for winners and the party for losers, though, I know who I'd rather choose.
I just find the vitriol a bit odd, because realistically, labour or tory, you lose or gain a few tenners for a few years. Damn, game over. |
This.
Plus the fact that most people are so disconnected from politics that they only vote for their favourite colour.
It's all just about advertising and air time anyway. And who decides that? The media.
Miliband is just as much of a spineless clueless nerd as Cameron. It's hilarious watching them both trying to talk tough when they do speeches and things. They just aren't inspirational people. They need to be themselves. That's the problem. You can respect anyone who does things from their heart, but when they're clearly just parroting what they think they should be saying, in the tone they think is needed, then they just look like fools in the school play.
Dunno why I even bother discussing politics any more.
My gran tells me it was far different when she was younger. Only sort of recently has it become such a farce.
Seems more like a modern day version of rich people playing kings and queens. Democracy is dead!
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I won't be voting for anyone, ever again, until there's someone I actually want to vote for.
People say that non-voters can't complain. Well I say I'm not complaining and my no-vote is a sign that says I don't need to vote because nothing changes anyway. |
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You must be one of those Labour voting retards. Oh wait, no, you don't vote at all which means you've got no right to complain about any of them. |
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The introduction of tax credits and working tax credits too. Which meant that companies slashed wages because they knew the government would top up those wages.
Housing benefits just increased rents across the board.
Minimum wage just caused huge numbers of jobs to fall to this level. I still remember working in a tile factory in the 1990s. I was paid £3h which was worth more than the £6.20 min wage today, today its a min wage job. |
Oddly enough, as I said, lower end of the scale. When tax credits came out I was better off. My wages couldn't get slashed any more and that was a qualified chef wage. When Min Wage came out my wages increased. Believe it or not I was only earning £3.20 an hour before min wage with a family to support. When it was increased so everyone was earning my boss had no option but to give me a little extra and when you are scraping the barrel for pennies even a 30p increase an hour is fantastic.
| fatpies wrote: | Add in the inflation AND the PFI government has introduced and its a bad deal (yes the Tories invented PFI for the Euro tunnel and it was such a bad deal very few PFI projects ever got off the ground). |
Inflation happens regardless of who is in power. Its just how the government deal with it that matters. PFI industries, which as you rightly say, were invented by the tories tend to hike prices up (rail fares etc) Well above the rate of inflation. What the government tend to do, both big parties, is freeze tax on things that benefit no one to stop the sting of inflation. Yes folks, that beer they refuse to increase the price of doesnt really help. Cant afford to get the train to work but can afford to get pissed. Bloody helpful that is.
PFI, The tories answer to we need even more money is to sell of something that costs the tax payers a small fortune every year. Sadly, as history has proven, 9 times out of 10 it fails and the service gets worse. BT went and now we get great deals about who provides our service.... but at least BT's service was a service, How many more times do you have to contact Sky, Talk Talk, Virgin because its gone tits up for the umpteenth time this month? Same with the rail. Prices went up and that is now mostly owned by the government again! Same with the gas companies, electric companies, Services got worse as prices increased to stupid levels. But on the plus side, your beer wont cost a penny more!
Now they are selling off the mail. An already shockingly underfunded and bad service cant get much worse right? Lets watch and see.
If they dont sell things off they make cuts. My wife is working in the local hopsital. She does a 6 hour shift and gets a 30 minute unpaid break which she can never take as its just too busy. She has a set number of checks she has to perform every 2 hours and she's lucky if she gets the time to do one of those checks. She comes home knackered because she never stops for a second because of cuts. She knows her patients are not getting the service they need because there is just not enough staff.
Bottom line is, and I have said it countless times before, none of these politicians can make the country work, its inherently broken. The system has so many loopholes people exploit it at the cost of millions a year and the idiots running the show have never wanted for anything all their lives. They were born into a well off household, went to private school/uni and have never been down here where I have been, scraping pennies to make ends meet. ____________________ illuminateTHEmind wrote: I am just more evolved than most of you guys... this allows me to pick of things quickly which would have normally taken the common man years to master
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