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 Posted: 13:10 - 01 Sep 2013 Post subject: New Hobby possibility - Photography HELP! |
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Hello O' Mighty BCF
I'm trying to pick up a new hobby to keep myself busy & right now, I'm thinking photography could be a great start.
I already enjoy taking photos either on my phone or a bog standard camera, looking into my laptop hard drive I take ALOT of them.
I'm not intending to upload everything to a website or post them all over social media, the photos are purely for me
https://funny-pictures-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/LOL-Meanwhile-on-Instagram.jpg
(NO!)
Having more control over my photos before & after shot is appealing, but where to start is a mindfuck!
It looks like a DSLR is the place to start (no)?
But make,model, new vs old and the spec are all over my head until I get down to some serious research
Ideally I would like a camera fit for a newbie, but one that's also not going to limit me should I really get involved. Any suggestions would be hugely recommended, even ebay listings if you've seen onE recently.
Another thing is post editing, what programs do you guys use to manipulate and edit your photos?
I've seen some awesome shots in the photography thread, but I can tell some of them have been tweaked to perfection
TLDR: HELP ME PHOTOGRAPHY YES?
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 chris-red Have you considered a TDM?

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 Posted: 14:07 - 01 Sep 2013 Post subject: |
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You really need to tell us a budget.
Oh and FYI as Kickstart told me when I started. It's a more expensive habit than Coke.
I'd recommend Canon because I think the Lens fitment and AF etc is easier to understand. But realistically I don't think there is much between Canon or Nikon.
I'd start with a 20/30/40/50D or 7D (depending on budget).
Aside from being just generally all-round better than the xxxxD or xxxD cameras (AF, shutter speed, lag, battery etc.) it comes with an Additional LCD screen on top which I find invaluable also it is bigger. and being a large guy myself find it fits in my hands better. (read xxxD/xxxxD's are for girls )
MPB Photographic and Clifton Cameras are good for SH kit. Also if you sign up to Talk Photography the classifieds there are good. Although you have to make X amount of posts before you view them. ____________________ Well, you know what they say. If you want to save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs.
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 Posted: 15:41 - 01 Sep 2013 Post subject: |
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The 350D seems to be highly rated
But it seems the standard Lens kit isn't very capable.
How much should I be looking to spend for a SLR around the 350D's range?
Thanks for the help so far  |
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 Posted: 15:45 - 01 Sep 2013 Post subject: |
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Canon v Nikon... if you've got any mates with kit, choose the same make. Means you can borrow stuff and it'll fit.  |
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Hi
Another vote for the difference between Canon and Nikon being tiny. If you chose based on which is better now then it will have changed again in a couple of weeks. The camera bodies are cheap compared to decent lenses
I have Canon stuff, but I would be happy enough with Nikon as well.
As Bendy says, if you already have friends with one system or the other then it makes sense to go for that system.
Another place to try for 2nd hand equipment is Mifsuds:-
https://www.mifsuds.com/
All the best
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I have no friends .... that do photography
I always used to be wait for a friend to start something with me, but I got fed up waiting .
Which is why I have no friends who surf or ride a motorbike
So in that respect Nikon Vs Cannon won't make a difference.
The 350D is more appealing the more I read into it.
Do you really think I'd grab a decent kit for £130?
I'd rather buy everything I need to get going, rather than a staggered start, pausing once I realise I'm missing something.
Could you please share a few more photos Andy? Reading the reviews then seeing the shots you took with the standard lens is amazing
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| Rogue_Shadow wrote: | I have no friends .... that do photography
I always used to be wait for a friend to start something with me, but I got fed up waiting .
Which is why I have no friends who surf or ride a motorbike
So in that respect Nikon Vs Cannon won't make a difference.
The 350D is more appealing the more I read into it.
Do you really think I'd grab a decent kit for £130?
I'd rather buy everything I need to get going, rather than a staggered start, pausing once I realise I'm missing something.
Could you please share a few more photos Andy? Reading the reviews then seeing the shots you took with the standard lens is amazing
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Sorry but what is appealing about it, other than the price?
£130 might be a bit low but certainly £150.
Personally for that price I'd got for a new bridge camera rather than an aged DSLR, you'll get better results I think. ____________________ Well, you know what they say. If you want to save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs.
Skudd:- Perhaps she just thinks you are a window licker and is being nice just in case she becomes another Jill Dando.
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 Posted: 18:08 - 01 Sep 2013 Post subject: |
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The price is appealing yes, this will be my first serious camera after all.
It's hopefully something I can grow into and enjoy and expand my kit, mainly learn something new
Either way it's the reviews and feedback from owners of the 350D that make it an appealing first buy, it seems a very capable DSLR for the price.
But now you've mentioned "bridge" cameras
So I'm going to retreat to google to find out more  |
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For under £120 I'd go for it.
I'f also but a new flash card as 512mb is next to nothing.
Flash is a bonus although probably manual, so not worth a great deal. ____________________ Well, you know what they say. If you want to save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs.
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Canon, Nikon, Sony, Pentax.
Suzuki, Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki.
Same principle
Some advice, go fixed focal length (Prime) e.g. 50mm, as apposed to zoom i.e 24-70mm as it will help you on the way to learning composition and as a bonus usually gets you faster/better quality lenses at a fraction of the cost.
Sensor technology has come on leaps and bounds, but controls and build quality are also important, either go new as possible with entry level or a few generations back enthusiast.
Learn, read watch youtube videos, knowledge is 9/10ths photography.
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how many is alot of them???
as na idea i have taken over 10,000 shot in the past 18 months. when i went to RIAT a few years ago i took nearly 2000 shot in a single day.
one thing which i dont know about on other brands but do with nikon. AF, there are essentially 2 types of AF mount, AF-S and AF. the main difference being if you have an AF-S body you will not have and AF motor in the body meaning it will restrict you to the more expensive and newer AF-S lenses. if you get something that is AF (i use a d50 which is af) you can use both AF and AF-S lenses meaning you can use cheaper and older lenses, older lenses can be had quite cheap second hand.
so when choosing do think about buying lenses in the future. now that my d50 needs replacing i will hve to spend more on a body to start with, but i can still use the AF lenses i have, so i save a few hundred quid not replacing them, something to keep in mind if you plan on upgrading in the future ____________________ Current rides - 2016 Triumph Street Triple Rx, 1994 Suzuki Bandit 400 VM, TGB 204 Classic 125cc
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Chris, You seem to really know your stuff
So what would you recommend to rival the 350D?
Price range would be a £170 MAX, I don't want to put alot of money into this until I know I will enjoy / handle it.
I appreciate what your saying about bridge cameras, my only concern is that it's a standalone unit with no possibility to expand or build. That being said the Fuji S9600 keeps popping up in comparison
Thank You
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Too late
Hopefully not made a horrible mistake.
Got a Canon EOS 400D, strap, spare battery, kit lens, UV filter and PL Circular filter.
For less than what I was offered for a 350d  |
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| Rogue_Shadow wrote: | Chris, You seem to really know your stuff
So what would you recommend to rival the 350D?
Price range would be a £170 MAX, I don't want to put alot of money into this until I know I will enjoy / handle it.
I appreciate what your saying about bridge cameras, my only concern is that it's a standalone unit with no possibility to expand or build. That being said the Fuji S9600 keeps popping up in comparison
Thank You
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Too late
Hopefully not made a horrible mistake.
Got a Canon EOS 400D, strap, spare battery, kit lens, UV filter and PL Circular filter.
For less than what I was offered for a 350d  |
400d is a step up has a much better screen layout. I'm not an expert as such but I did do similar to you and looked around for a cheap camera. I was going to buy a 1100d and 18-55 lens brand new for £350~ I was talked out of it on here and bought a 20d anmd 18-55 SH for about £160.
The 20D is a bit older than the 400d but is a 'level' up.
The Canon cameras come in different levels,
xxxxD and xxxD is amateur gear, it's cheap it's not as well built, it's small. I'm not knocking it they can still give you good shots but it is bottom of the range.
The xxD range is enthusiast gear, usually better built (metal bodies etc.) Although the latest 60D isn't. Most importantly it has better controls and 2 control 2 wheels (once you get the camera you will understand why this is important)
The xD range is pro gear, usually full frame* The main exception being the 7D which to me is what the 60d should have been.
These will be bigger cameras and don't have a pop up flash for many reasons the viewfinders are bigger so take up the space also they are useless with expensive lenses. Good lenses are usually too physically big for an onboard flash and there will be shadow, aside from that if someone is going to spend a 4 figure sum on a camera they would easily spend £300 on canons top flash. They also have lots of built in tech GPS WiFi, flash triggers etc. which will filter down to the lower level camera eventually.
*Full Frame
Read the below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APS-C
The xxxxD, xxxD and xxD are APS-C it's a smaller sensor which means you lose on Image quality but gain on zoom length. The factor is 1.6 so a 160mm lens on a full frame and a 100mm lens on a crop frame would give you the same zoom.
To work out the magnification you'll get from a focal length you times it by any crop factor divide it by 35 (i.e. 35mm film)
So a 200mm lens on a 5D is x5.7, on my 50d (and your 400d) is x9.1.
Canon make a type of lens especially for APSC Cameras called EFS
EF which is Canons standard lens fits ALL Canon cameras the EFS only fit APSC's
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Canon_EF_and_EF-S_lens_comparison.jpg/800px-Canon_EF_and_EF-S_lens_comparison.jpg
EF is the red dot EFS white.
Canons premier lenses the 'L' Series (L for Lots of money) only come in EF format. ____________________ Well, you know what they say. If you want to save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs.
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You know too much
Thanks Chris
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 13 years, 52 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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