has warped started selling scoots

[andyscooter]

just popped for a pint

had a lad that knows i ride scooters try telling me he has paid 400 pounds for a peugeot speedfight 50cc that does 90mph

but he has only ridden it at 65

its worth 800 apparently

i kept a straight face but cant wait to meet him on my vespa 200cc that had a grands worth of work on it to get it to do that speed


the scoot is paintewd in a shite rizla paint job as its been throw down the road
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[Tungtvann]

Erm, I think you'll find with the power to weight ratio, he'll have you. Not to mention with the corners.

[sabian92]

I don't think a speedflight would do 90 dropped from the international space station

What a bellend.

[Nick 50]

I had a scoot chav saying he would do me to 60, whilst I was at lights on my Tuono.

Much laughter was had that day.

Kids eh............. need help.
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[Boxing]

Why would you spend a grand on a Vespa scooter? Can't you do gears?

Chicks don't dig peds...

[CG Sam]

I know a few chicks that go crazy for vespas...
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[Nemo]

It has a rizzla paint job, making it an RR... duuuuh
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[Nemo]

It has a rizzla paint job, making it an RR... duuuuh
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[prawny1]

It is surprising what a "well set up" rev and go scooter will do, that said 90mph on a speedfight 50 would take an awful lot of work, parts and set up time.

Ped bois may only be putting out about 10bhp or so all tuned up but they are at that bhp in the best gear from pretty much a standstill right up until they top out the gearing.

The thing with your vespa 200 that you will need to rev it up in each gear to get to your power band below that you are going to be hard pushed to out do even a derestricted 50, you will probably get destroyed by a healthy derestricted 2t sports 125 which will be an awful lot more stable with better brakes to boot.
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[Ariel Badger]

I so want a classic scooter, so much fun.
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[Im-a-Ridah]

90km/h = 56mph

That might explain it.

[Teflon-Mike]

Aquantence of mine many years ago, wanted to move up from one make RD250LC class to GP250 & bought a TZ; stuck a for sale sign on the RD in the paddock., & ended up with a Lambretta 175 'Racing Scooter' in PX, which he hid in a corner of the workshop, actually a bit embarrassed to even try selling, after using the cash he got in the deal on the TZ.

That was until about three meets into the season,when the crank snapped in the TZ... typical baked-bean-budget clubbie; he didn't have a spare crank.. or cash to get a new one... tidying up the garage, hoping to find a not to buggered RD crank he could stuff in to get him by for a bit... pulled the Lambretta out... and in pique.. as his race entry for next meet was already paid and unrefundable, but unable to do anything with the TZ... decided to enter the Lambretta 'just for the giggles'..

He kept racing the thing; and his lap-times on it round Mallory were as good as he'd been getting mixing it in the front five of the RD class!

He reckoned that it was probably so fast, because in scooter racing you just dont bother to brake for the bends... (Aledgedly!) you just sort of try and make yourself as small as possible in the cradle; wind the thing up then find some-one to stuff it up the inside of when you want to change direction, then lean on them a bit to help you go round! "Actually... not a lot different to RD racing!" he said!

So wouldn't be so quick-to-skoff... some of them scooters can be pretty-damn-quick for what they are!

Think about it; I think that the Lambretta was probably bored over 200 close on 250; maybe a tad over... but single air-cooled cylinder? Little wheels; bugger all suspension, and questionable frame stiffness; YET as MEASURABLY quick, round a track, not bar-room speedo readings or magazine claims, in questionable conditions with or without wind or gravity assistance; as 35+bhp water-cooled, reed-valved two-stroke twin, in stiff sporting chassis....

£2K on a Big-Bore Vespa? Spent strategically could do something pretty impressive; that could quite easily leave an Italian 'Sports' 125 with a few Boy-Racer-Bolts on, a watching the rabbits foot on the fishing pole radio antena!

PERSONALLY... I doubt I'd be brave enough to try it.... BUT.... its not beyond bounds of practicality!

He ALMOST convinced me to have ago on his Lambretta... after telling me that actually, the engine was in front of and not beside the back wheel, and the front and back wheels were actually on the same axis, so tended not to weave as much at speed as the Vespas.... but then I saw what I would have had to sit on, and the huge hole where there ought to be a tank to grip with your knees, and I wimped out.... but such considerations didn't vex him, and he loved it!

Modern era twist-and-go scooters? Well, they are more advanced, but built down to a price, I dont think they have anywhere near so much scope for considered modding.

Variable pulley transmission, also doesn't provide 'infinite' ratio, max force drive, as suggested. Can provide a range of 'step-less' reduction; but not over the same range as with a conventional gear-box. Especially within the space evelope of relatively small scooter transmission, limiting pulley sizes and size changes, on reletively short belt.

Gear ratios for three speed Vespa; though modern ones have four I believe, would offer a much wider range of possible gearing; that would allow the engine to remain tractable, with a more radically tuned engine, and narrow power band; where variator transmission would have to be carefully set up to ensure that the centrifugal clutch didn't engage too early causing the engine to bog, before the power band was entered, yet not slipping so much that useful transmission force was wasted as friction on the slippers... which is where the system is self defeating, you don't get the full power of 'peak power revs' getting to the rear wheel, if the clutch is slipping.

Meanwhile, isn't the Peugot Speed-Fighter built around a self-supporting plastic body shell? Seem to recall them winning an award for such inovative' (same as a Sinclar C5 of mid 80's vintage!) design!

That would make it rather awkward to employ much traditional fabrication practices to stiffen the structure for racing, and lighten or slim its aerodynamics trimming the body-work as they do with the tin-scooters.

For a swift-scooter; Lambretta, with metal back-bone frame that could be braced and stiffened and lightened and stripped of body-work; I believe a 'sprung' engine in the larger capacity models for better unsprung mass, only the gearbox in the swing-arm. I think that they had larger 12" wheels as well, and proper forked steering column with trailing link suspension; that actually has quite a few advantages over the Vespa single sided arrangement and even some benefits over full-length, twin-yoke supported motorbike telescopic forks; let alone the crappy things they fit to contemprary 'peds'.

While air-cooled engine that has a lot of scope for modding:-
- converting to reed-valve induction;
- boring and stroking
- porting the heck out of it...
(I seem to recall mention of them using the Cylinder liners from 250MX bikes shrunk into air-cooled barrels, ported to suit and fitted with the MX bikes single ring slipper pistons)
- possibly even liquid cooling
(isn't there a water-cooled head available for the Vespas?)
- Programmeable Electronic Ignition
- Expansion Chambers

Lots of ways to find some pretty impressive power gains over the half dozen humble horses of a stocker! Get serious with one of these things, and you could realistically get 30-40bhp maybe even more!

The contemporary two-stroke scooters? What can you do to them? Few are over 125cc, and those that are even that big, are small-block engines; Based around a nominal 80cc variant that can be bored stroked or sleeved to get 50, 80, 100 or full 125 capacities. Best you are likely to be able to do, is get one out to perhaps 180cc, and even then I suspect you would be limited to fairly tame porting on it, especially with variator transmission. What could we credit it with? About 30bhp IF you are lucky as much as an Aprillia RS125... but I think even that would be optimistic.

Vespa 200? Seem to recall it has a not unrespectable 15bhp out the box, at a pretty low 6 or 7000rpm peak power revs. Its a pretty docile, low tuned lump as it leaves the factory; But that should be enough for a genuine 70-75mph, without overly favourable conditions. 20bhp, I'm sure could quite readily be liberated without incredibly drastic mods; head-skim; expansion chamber, bigger or possibly just re-jetted carb, and the ignition timing tweeked a bit to lift the rev cieling. That might be enough to scare 80-85 mph and near 100mph speedo readings... that's all that a lot of old NS or TZR125's have to get them there. Add a big-bore kit? Could probably start pushing the 25bhp mark, and I doubnt you would have to spend even half suggested budget to get it there.

They dont give particularly inspiring numbers out the box compared to a speed-fighter; but there aint no replacement for displacement! Speed-fighters and the ilk, are making thier 10-12bhp from having smaller motor in higher original state of tune. Means you have less scope to do as much to get any more, and and with half the displacement what you might do is likely to only deliver half the gain.

95mph Vespa? I'll not pooh-pooh the notion. Two-Grands worth of tuning to get it? Makes it more likely; though I wouldn't have thought it would actually need that much money to get it there; but, if total cost including some suck it and see brand name tuning goodies from the more high profile scooter emporiums? Not completely off the scale.
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[Yoyo]

Got to love the ped bois.
Did he also say that a rs125 will do 130?

I had one tell me his ped would beat my gt, and asked where i got the 650 stickers from lol. Nearly fell off my bike laughing at the lights.
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[jjdugen]

I'll have to dig around for the program for the Aintree sprint a month or so ago. A stripped out scooter was comfortably beating much larger cc machines. The guy told me that the only problem was a bump at the end of the strip that had him speed wobbling.
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