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Lord Percy
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 29 Sep 2013    Post subject: Another top government bod calls for lift on drugs ban. Reply with quote

Durham police chief calls for an end to the war on drugs.

He makes a valid point actually - 1920s America had the alcohol ban and it gave rise to gangs and general illicit trade. Well nowadays we have exactly the same situation with modern gangs and drug dealers etc. Legalising drugs will take the money, power and general wrongdoings away from them.

It would also mean the drugs came from reputable sources, rather than being cut with loads of other crap.

Not really a fan of drugs any more, but I do think legalising them is at least worth a shot.
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 29 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's completely right but soon he'll be following the path of Professor David Nutt. Sad
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 29 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Legalising and taxing cannabis could be worth as much as £1.25bn a year to the government so there could be huge amounts of tax revenue from legalising or decriminalising all recreational drugs.

Yes, regulating the supply would see an end to adulterated drugs so less dead people from bad drugs.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Humans have always, and will always, find ways to treat the law with the contempt it deserves. If there's one thing all governments have been extremely successful at it's in bringing the law into disrepute.
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Posted this documentary before doubt anyone actually bothered watching it. It's actually really interesting and eye opening to the corrupt american government.

https://www.primewire.ag/watch-2021699-How-to-Make-Money-Selling-Drugs

It won't get unbanned the government makes too much money from it, especially in america where they are so corrupt. To ban drugs just makes it cool, if they banned tobacco tomorrow there would be more people smoking than ever especially for the youngest of the society.

Just like Portugal if they unbanned drugs they would virtually kill the black market. At least they could regulate it more.
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with the legalise them and tax them route is that we already have legal heavily taxed drugs and activities.

Like alcohol and tobacco, the taxes are so high that people have incentives to smuggle them or make their own moonshine. Or cheat the system like people use with red diesel.

In many pubs round here a bloke with a carrier bag will sell a carton of cigs for a lot less than the shops. The pubs themselves cheat their tie in with breweries.

There is a Ukrainian bloke who appears now and again selling home brew moonshine. The news had something about a couple of people going blind.
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is an argument for legalising them, but it would need to be done with an extensive campaign to make people aware of the dangers of what they want to take.

I'd suggest making them only available from a chemist in disturbing packets that highlight the risks posed by that drug, in as graphic a manner as possible. The drugs would only be legal if carried and stored in said disturbing packet. TV campaigns and posters could be added to this. This should reduce the "cool" factor and will deter at least some curious users from trying them. Double the sentences for dealing too.
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
There is an argument for legalising them, but it would need to be done with an extensive campaign to make people aware of the dangers of what they want to take.

I'd suggest making them only available from a chemist in disturbing packets that highlight the risks posed by that drug, in as graphic a manner as possible. The drugs would only be legal if carried and stored in said disturbing packet. TV campaigns and posters could be added to this. This should reduce the "cool" factor and will deter at least some curious users from trying them. Double the sentences for dealing too.


What disturbing image would you have on a box of E? Someone gurning with huge pupils, but at the same time having an amazing time?
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What disturbing image would you have on a box of E? Someone gurning with huge pupils, but at the same time having an amazing time?

Maybe someone heeding media advice about drinking lots of water if you drop an E, drinking too much water and dying from secondary drowning.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

D O G wrote:

What disturbing image would you have on a box of E? Someone gurning with huge pupils, but at the same time having an amazing time?


An amazing time in an NHS drug clinic? Confused
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be willing to bet that chemists don't want to become recreational drug off licenses.

Police person... "What I am saying is that drugs should be controlled. They should not, of course, be freely available."

Recreational drugs from licensed and regulated head shops. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
I'd be willing to bet that chemists don't want to become recreational drug off licenses.

Police person... "What I am saying is that drugs should be controlled. They should not, of course, be freely available."

Recreational drugs from licensed and regulated head shops. Thumbs Up


That's uncontrolled usage. It should be linked to medical records.
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
Ste wrote:
I'd be willing to bet that chemists don't want to become recreational drug off licenses.

Police person... "What I am saying is that drugs should be controlled. They should not, of course, be freely available."

Recreational drugs from licensed and regulated head shops. Thumbs Up


That's uncontrolled usage. It should be linked to medical records.


Yeah, I mean you wouldn't want people to think for themselves, would you?
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
D O G wrote:

What disturbing image would you have on a box of E? Someone gurning with huge pupils, but at the same time having an amazing time?


An amazing time in an NHS drug clinic? Confused


I missed the bit where people could only take them at healthcare facility?
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
D O G wrote:
What disturbing image would you have on a box of E? Someone gurning with huge pupils, but at the same time having an amazing time?

Maybe someone heeding media advice about drinking lots of water if you drop an E, drinking too much water and dying from secondary drowning.


That'd be this one then:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/66/Leahbetts.jpg

However, I think what you meant was death from cerebral odema, on account of mass dilution of electrolytes in the blood, rather than secondary drowning. Nonetheless, bad information about how to "stay safe" on drugs would indeed be a concern, as highlighted in this instance.

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PostPosted: 13:45 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
That's uncontrolled usage. It should be linked to medical records.

If supply from regulated outlets was too tightly controlled then illegal drug dealers would remain in business.
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Im-a-Ridah wrote:
That's uncontrolled usage. It should be linked to medical records.

If supply from regulated outlets was too tightly controlled then illegal drug dealers would remain in business.


That's not regulation, that's a free for all. You give your name to the Drug Dispensory, they note put the quantity and type of drug into the system then hand them to you. Just like buying stuff in a shop, except it's logged on your medical records. This provides some level of control instead of a free for all of drug use. Your proposal would actually help drug dealers as they would collect them up cheap from the UK then deal them in other countries securing a huge profit and defeating the original purpose of the scheme.

What you want is a drugs free for all. This proposal isn't that.
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

But then shouldn't we be filling in some paperwork everytime we say "pint of carlsberg please barkeep"?

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PostPosted: 16:45 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhostRider wrote:
But then shouldn't we be filling in some paperwork everytime we say "pint of carlsberg please barkeep"?

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PostPosted: 16:54 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhostRider wrote:
But then shouldn't we be filling in some paperwork everytime we say "pint of carlsberg please barkeep"?

GhostRider


If you like. But as things stand the proposal I just outlined is an improvement for all parties, but still addresses the concerns of those fearing a drugs free for all like the Mumsnet and the Daily Mail who would scream "oh my poor Jonny/Sarah/Mohammed might get hooked on smack and die".
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Re: Another top government bod calls for lift on drugs ban. Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Durham police chief calls for an end to the war on drugs.

He makes a valid point actually - 1920s America had the alcohol ban and it gave rise to gangs and general illicit trade. Well nowadays we have exactly the same situation with modern gangs and drug dealers etc. Legalising drugs will take the money, power and general wrongdoings away from them.

It would also mean the drugs came from reputable sources, rather than being cut with loads of other crap.

Not really a fan of drugs any more, but I do think legalising them is at least worth a shot.


It also meant an increase in vehicle performance in which they could easily escape the slow plod cars chasing them. Just think, if they banned tea.... souped up fireblades carrying illegal teabags at 400 mph!
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Driving while whizzed-up is ace.

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PostPosted: 19:15 - 30 Sep 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part of me thinks it will happen, wheels are turning in the US towards cannabis, shit just has to happen verrrry slowly to avoid anal-prolapse rage.

On the other hand, they are referring to class A's, and there's obviously big money in it....for the government. Private prisons are cash cows, which is a pretty fucking sick thing when you think about it, when a company is profiting off of the incarceration of others.... then it pays to keep them locked up, keep 'em coming, we'll build more cells no problem.

The thing is its pretty established that the US is in bed with Columbia and mexico and all the cartels, them fancy new drones aint gonna pay for themselves after all, so its not really in their interest to legalise the class As, the military offers better pay than the friday night Coke dabbler down the dog and duck.

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