4t 125 racing - on the cheap!

[SteveZZR]

Go guys

been thinking about a cheap way of getting a bit of racing in on the cheap and thought of a semi-decent way of doing it.

In summer at Cadwell Park (and doubtless at other tracks too) an evening session can be had for £39 which is good fun on a bigger bike but would obviously be a bit shit on a small machines alone.

I propose we choose 8 dates for evenings and "race" as an enduro type thing.- most laps wins.
Keep it cheap so no transponders etc we'll sit someone on the grandstand to count.
Obviously different points for different positions and have a league table on here.

Rules etc.
No twins or dohc engines - ,CBR, Varadero etc
No overbores
No minimum cc limit.but 125 maximum
Full license required (MSV ruling)
£1 entry fee to buy the counter a.couple of.pints for their services

Anything else goes after that I guess, not much bang for buck doing up a 4t 125 so more about your riding than anything.

Aiming to make this bang for buck fun open to all, hence disqualification of the more expensive, generally quicker 125s. No minimum cc abd could possibly allow 50cc 2t bikes?

Open to all input

Would anyone be up for it?

Edit: forgot to mention, obviously need a clearly visible number on the bike to be counted.

Would video each session for confirmation of laps.

[G]

Sounds very dangerous; especially on Cadwell full circuit.
In the slower groups, anyone half decent will be cornering massively faster than the other riders.
In a fast group, I reckon that considering the uphill nature of coppice, other riders could easily be doing twice the speed of the 125 flat out.

When racing, I'd quite possibly had a nasty collision if I'd caught up with a slow rider coming up to Riches at Snetterton.
That they were pretty much upright mid corner made me realise they were going massively slower than expected - not sure I'd have realised in time to react with evasive action under braking.

Ok, you expect more variation at a trackday - but also, you could probably get in trouble (and get the track day company in trouble) if found out.

Why not do pit bike racing, minimoto racing, moped racing or similar?

[Old Git Racing]

You've got no chance. The organisers would suss you out before you know it and kick you off, then pass your names round to other organisers, hey presto banned from trackdays. In fact if I was there and knew what you were doing I'd bubble you.
If you want to race grow a pair and do it properly. Go to work, save up, buy a bike, join a club, enter a race. Its easy, with an added bonus of not fucking some innocent sods evening up.
Shite idea.
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[SteveZZR]

Surely at a trackday you'd be trying to get round as quickly as you can anyway? I know I was.
This would merely be counting laps, it's not as if you all start on a grid and actually race on a track event.
Don't think fast group would be anything but suicide on a 4t 125 really!


Pitbike racing sounds good though, got a link?


And for the record I do have a job and earn money, worked pretty damn hard to get where I am today, I just don't have an awful lot of disposable income, even moreso with a child on the way.

[MarJay]

They don't allow racing at trackdays.

They don't allow four stroke 125's at trackdays.

If you want to do this, do moped racing. It's the cheapest way to do racing IMO.
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[G]

Not really.

A trackday is maybe 75%-85%.
Racing maybe 90%-95%.

I've crashed twice on trackdays and both were not paying attention to poor adhesion levels.

Crashed loads of times racing and race practices - but don't really expect to be pushing it that much on public trackdays.

You could start here for cheap pitbike track racing:
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=275500&highlight= .

[Ste]

Sell the shit slow 4t 125, get yourself an RS125 (Honda or Aprilia) then put your racing ideas on hold until you're riding with the fast group without dieing.

4t 125 racing... lol etc, you be trollin'!

[SteveZZR]

[quote="MarJay"]
They don't allow four stroke 125's at trackdays.
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Can't say I've seen a CC limit when I read up? And I did read up quite a bit as I looked to see if I could do a trackday with my 33bhp license as it wasn't blatantly stated anywhere. Never saw a CC limit and found out that MSV tracks require full license, others are more relaxed.

[P.addy]

Why no Varaderos?

[Ste]

It's not a cc limit. If your slow bike was noticed before going on track then there's a good chance you wouldn't be allowed out. If you did get out on track then you'd be going considerably slower than everyone else so could probably expect to be pulled in for your own safety and the safety of everyone else.

If you want to go an trackdays then sell your 125 and get something faster.

[MarJay]

[SteveZZR]

Ahh right that makes sense then

Onwards to pitbike supermoto!

Shame there isn't a proper racing thing for the CG125's though as there's barely anything you can do to squeeze more power so it'd be ultimately down to the rider not the bike.


And Paddy, that'd be because a V-twin is substantially better in every way to a pissy little single

[garth]

What a load of bollocks, get into pitbike sm racing if you want cheap racing.

I'm racing a C90 round Cadwell next month, 57 bikes, 8 hour endurance.

[chris-red]

I think I'd rather ride a 125 4t in the fast group than in the slow.

See about getting enough people together and asking the tracks how much it would be to have the track open for an 'event' and see how much that would be to split it between the teams.
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[Ste]

They've got much more skill then the novice group so might stand a better chance at avoiding a rolling road (track!) block.

[MarJay]

The interesting thing about this proposal is how preposterous it is. I suspect if anybody tried it, they'd soon be banned from every track in the country.

Do you think that a track day organiser wouldn't notice that 20 four stroke 125's booked into an evening session all with race numbers and all appearing to know one another? ANY kind of racing or suspicion of racing is treated very seriously as it would immediately invalidate their insurance.
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[moonzoomer]

There used to be a CZ175cc race series here in N.I, all racing was carried out on closed circuits and the bikes had to be standard right down to the stock Barum tyres which kept the St . Johns ambulance chaps rather busy

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[c_dug]

If I had the money I'd be tempted to give moped racing a go for a laugh, I'm sure I've heard of it being done at a couple of tracks.
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[MarJay]

Sod pitbikes, moped racing is probably the cheapest method of racing. A few years back G, Bendy and I bought an old C90 between us, and raced it in a couple of endurance events. I think it cost us about £200 plus a little for off road tyres (it was a supermoto style event).

Sure, we weren't super competitive, but it wouldn't cost a lot for a competitive bike or to tune a C90 to be competitive, and it was a great laugh! Sure, pitbike supermoto is probably more competitive and more equal in lots of ways, but I also bet it's more serious and less of a laugh.
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