Conservatives: Under 25, no dole

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24369514

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[Rogerborg]

Cut through the jibba jabba and what he's talking about is more "apprenticeships".

In other words, provide State funded warm bodies to Tesco, which will put over-25s out of a job and drive down wages.

Knighthoods for CEOs and directorships for MPs all round, chaps.
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[fatpies]

This is why I don't care about tax avoidance and tax evasion.

So you pay in and get nothing out?

Why pay in, in the first place?

TBH I expect my CELTA classes to get bigger in the near term as more and more people escape overseas for a while.
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[_Will_]

Not long ago they picked up on a study that said people are not mentally adults until they hit 25 these days, next there will be additional rises for when you can leave education, drink, drive, get a mortgage or vote.

That would sort out youth unemployment
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[oldpink]

it would be an Ok idea if there were acctual jobs or places in education for the 18 - 25's to go into
but as there is very little jobs and most uni / collage courses cost money or qualifications req
so its just another way to trample on a section of society that doesn't matter to the gubbernment(s)
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[Mark_F]

Many people are struggling to make sense of some of the cons more recent "ideas", including conservative party members. Some even wonder if Cameron is doing his utmost to lose the next election so the next crash (which may be coming soon) doesn't happen "on his watch".

[yaigi]

I was speaking to a teacher friend the other day and she said the plan of making education compulsory up until the age of 18 is already being put into place (can't find anything in the news though, it seems like it is being snuck in quietly). In her college, if there is an under 18 that they know of that isn't either continuing education or doing an apprenticeship, they have been told by the government to 'track them down and make them do something' (not in those words, obviously haha). Now whilst they might have a chance of getting a rebellious 16 year old enrolled on a course, how the heck they're meant to MAKE them come in to lessons when they don't turn up is beyond me.

All the tories seem to be doing is palming off the obvious lack of jobs available for the population onto somebody else. This 'big society' label they put it all under is them saying "We need your help" - but they don't exactly make you want to help them, do they?
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[Ste]

Finishing school/college and then choosing to sign on, start receiving JSA and getting housing benefit is a shit life choice, nobody should be doing that. Removing that option is a good plan to save lazy/stupid people from themselves.

[yaigi]

[Ste]

Meh, I know plenty of people who have recently finished college or uni and they've gone pretty much straight into employment. If people are choosing to do useless courses then it shouldn't come as a surprise that employers aren't interested in them.

[Im-a-Ridah]

Benefits is a replacement for the manufacturing and similar jobs market which has been gradually exported to Asia in search of bigger profits for the middle aged ruling block. In the past it was seen that preserving the country, economy and peoples rights for the future generations was an important thing to do, but under the baby boomers they essentially cashed in everything and then started loading all their debts on to future generations. Obviously it's not everyone from that age bracket responsible, I'm just using the generic terms established above

[N cee thirty]

all well and good saying this, i wanna know what they are gonna do NOW, not in 2/ 3 years time.

And you won't ever get that as its a mugs game.
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[alexknight200...]

There are jobs out there!!!

There not highly paid and that is the problem.

You say that the parents will have to subsidise those under 25, however in my experience it is parents that have mollycoddled the children, given them everything they want for no effort and let them think the children will get a free ride forever that is part of the problem.

Because some of these under 25's have been given everything and then expect everything there is no surpprise that they baulk at a low paid jobs and prefer to take JSA for nothing.

Again there are jobs out there so it is about time that the choice was.

1. Take a job.
2. 'meaningful' further education and not just a token college course.
3. Voluntary work.
4. No dole if out of work for more than a ceetain time and it is proven that there is a suitable job.

I live in a poor rurual area and trust me, there are jobs going begging even in this area.

So the sob stories don't wash with me, sorry.
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[Lord Percy]

I can sort of understand one angle of looking at it. At 25 years old you are typically of an age where you do still have a family you can comfortably fall back on, live in the same house, etc etc.

We seem to have this idea of, "You're over 18, you're an adult, you're free, you should do what you want.", but then at the same time we expect the government to come to our aid, instead of thinking closer to home first.

In countries with less welfare, familes tend to prefer to stick together, rather than have their children move to completely separate homes just to complain of being broke. That makes no sense, yet it's what a lot of people do here - move away for the 'independence', then complain they haven't got anything, when in reality they have a very good family unit to go back to, if only we had a culture that agreed with that kind of thing.

But yeah that's just one way of seeing it. When you think about the far bigger picture, it's plain obvious, as others have said, that the youngest are being picked on just because it's easiest. It's exactly the same as when tuition fees were put up. Because young people will just go along with whatever life presents them with.

I just wish the government would set their own example first. Even if it didn't work, I think the whole nation would be rallying in support if, say, all our MPs and top government people took a fuck off pay cut to bring themselves on par with the rest of the nation. Oh and while they're at it they could get the taxes they're owed from the big business, slash obscene bonuses, renationalise public service, and... awwwwww my inner socialist is coming out again

[alexknight200...]

Agreed

[Richy CB1000]

National fucking service - sorted

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[Pie-Roe]

I don't know why we can't have a clean up the streets/rubbish/community work etc type affair that people do to earn their money.

Briefly here is how I think it'd work:
People sign on, apply for jobs. work 4x6 hour days for their money sweeping the streets, removing graffiti and gum etc. They do menial jobs that we otherwise pay to do, gardeneing of the streets/parks, just the shit we pay companies to do that never gets done for less than 2.5x the real cost, and gets done shoddily as hell. This could help with obesity. Not working for a big corporation, working to further the country.

If people are consistantly good at it, they get 'employed' as a team leader, and get paid triple. You can work your way up just by being hard working and motivating people (you know, none of this trending management bullshit) the top people will have been people who have spent a few years in the system.

We'll still pay out the same benefits, but have a much cleaner country, and local councils will save loads more money. Sure a couple of businesses might lose a large amount of money, but SERCO for example, have been charging for loads of stuff they haven't done, at inordinate prices.

It'd cost a fair amount to implement, but it'd be worth it in my mind. I'm half tempted to research and write a business plan for it and send to Cameron.
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