Still undecided

[2strokesniffe...]

Im deciding on what bike to get next, as il be restricted to a 125 for 2 years when i pass my test which sucks ass i want a decent 2 stroke upgrade from my kawasaki ar 125 atm, so bigger tires front and rear disk brakes.

So im still undecided between a later model tzr 125 or the later model rg 125 could anybody sway me?

[Rogerborg]

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#2 Are you really going to sit A1 tests? Good for you if you do.

#3 Are you dead set on a 2 smoke? If you're planning to run it at full power then it's really just a question of what you can get away with. Hyosung GT125R, drop the 250 engine in it. Heck, it's a GS500 frame, you might be able to get a 35kW / 47bhp lump in there.

Don't do that, obviously, it's unlegal and shizzle.
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Bigger tyres = slower handling. That sounds like the opposite of an upgrade!
Disc brakes are nice, however.

I'd go for a) whatever is available for a good price for the condition.
b) An NSR125, because it's reasonably reliable, a good mix of sportyness with usability and has pretty good availability for parts.

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[_Iain_]

Hyosung's a good bet.

However personally i'd buy a mint GT250, and a GT125 frame w/v5 & swap every nut & bolt over, then peel the stickers off. That way you benifit from having the USD forks, the twin front discs & none of the aggro converting the carbed 125 over to the EFI 250 motor.

Two stroke 125's however?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KTM-125-EXC-2012-MODEL-ROAD-REG-ABSOLUTELY-STUNNING-/190840320633?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2c6ef83279

Still the ultimate in my eyes.
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I had no issues with my Hyosung. I'd not hesitate buying another one. Past 2007 you are getting far better quality, neglected bikes never fair well, but average Joe with a bucket and sponge will keep one in fairly good nick.

My old one is still flying around near my work, so its coming up to 6 years old and still OTR with at least 20,000 miles on it. Good solid engines.

[_Iain_]

In terms of big bike power on small bike plates it is.

Four stroke reliability with the power of a derestricted two stroke? Lots of win. Build quality slightly suspect, but you cant tell me it's going to be any worse than the bikes OP had already mentioned?
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[_Iain_]

It's heavier yes, however I seriously doubt the police would bother dynoing a four stroke as everyone knows you cant de-restrict one

You'd be in a lot more trouble if you got caught out, but I really cant see it happening if you stuck to the standard cans. Plus, it's got that big bike look & it's going to be more comfortable.

Weight isn't a huge concern of mine - if it was i'd lay off the pizza
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[Rogerborg]

Hyosung wasn't a serious suggestion, it was just by way of illustrating that if you're going to ride otherwise than in accordance with your license then there are other ways to do it than on a 2-stroke cranked up to 11.
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You'd have to lay off a pillion's worth of pizzas to get it down in weight to a 2 stroke level!

Also, police rarely know a lot about such things I'd say.
They may know to look on the cylinder and likely would be suspicious if marks were filed down etc.
It's a lot easier for him to claim "oh, is it derestricted, I didn't know?" on a full power 125 than a bike that's had everything moved to another. And likely a lot better with the insurance too; suspect it'll be a lot easier for them to get away with claiming he's uninsured with the 250.

[stevo as b4]

Keep the AR125 if it's not a wreck and re-build that sucker and tune it to 30bhp!

The limited chassis with 30bhp from a peaky disc valved 125cc motor will be more exciting on the ragged edge than a heavy Aprilia RS125 etc, even if it doesn't handle anything like as well.

I'd not ever swap one two stroke 125cc for another unless it was dodgy, or so wrecked it can't be re-born.

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[stevo as b4]

Fair enough, to give my opinion, of your two choices the I'd say the Yamaha everytime, they are a beautiful 125 if it's the late 4HW TZR2503XV clone version. Everyone will say the Italian 4DL SP models are massively better, but I wouldn't have one personally.

The RG125FUN is good enough, but you should also look at late NSR125's like G mentioned and also keep your fingers crossed, because finding a truly mint example of any of these is going to take you some time and a lot of trouble. All are rare now, and getting more expensive as the collectors run after the ones worth having!

[Rogerborg]

They're probably getting rare because 17 year olds get them, drill some random holes in the exhaust and run them ragged for 2 years without an oil change...
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[Rogerborg]

Good man.
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