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PostPosted: 16:25 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Brake test on motorway. Reply with quote

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2387815/Motorist-slowed-just-10mph-slip-road-motorway-killed-motorcyclist-traveling-fell-braked.html

Sounds like the biker had pissed him off and he fancied doing a brake check.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read that yesterday, i imagined it more of he'd suddenly realised he'd missed the junction and swerved across at the last minute, either way 10mph is ridiculous coming off a motorway, should of got longer in my opinion.

Some of the typical DM bollucks comments as well 'he should of kept more distance' Rolling Eyes Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ridiculous punishment and is some of that driving ban served whilst in prison?
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fairly sure bans start once any sentance finishes, still a joke though
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Despite the driver's inability to explain why he did it, or accept any responsibility for his actions, I'd like to think that Dibble would have done enough investigation to rule out a "brake check", i.e. successful attempted murder.

I'd really like to think that.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a shocking set of events; it's great to read the ignorance of some of the comments left at the foot of the article.

The sentence is nowhere near long enough and the driving ban should be for life.

It's a shame it wasn't a lorry in the lane he swerved into.

Traffic police should waste less time using tax guns and more time stopping and charging people for dangerous and careless driving, far too many idiots on the road that pay no attention to anyone else.

Sad times.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

To my mind, what the car driver did is no different than if he'd pulled out of a T-junction right in front of a biker. The people in the DM comments victim blaming and suggesting the biker should have kept more distance (..from a car that until the last second was in an entirely different lane??) clearly haven't read the article.

Car driver deserves jail.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vracktal wrote:
Car driver deserves shooting.

EFA.

Lets hope me comes out with a ruptured sphincter and his front teeth missing.
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There isn't a well deep enough for some of the commenters Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you look at the picture it seems like the driver went

"Oh shit that's my junction", stomped on his brakes to slow down so he could get to the slip road.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/188253/_bcf/boom.jpg

Of course the picture may well not be an accurate representation.
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to see they brought the experts in to comment
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Later, a personal injury expert said it was a ‘very unusual case’.
Navdip Gill, a partner at Geoffrey Leaver Solicitors, said rear-end crashes were almost always the fault of the driver behind.

I wonder who he was working for Confused

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His car stalled and when he started it

There is info that doesn't make sense in the published story.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Daily Mail is a tabloid newspaper for the uneducated, it's hardly surprising what some of the comments read.

It amazes me that after hearing a loud bang coming from behind he didn't 1. Check rearview/side mirror to see a motorcycle on it's side lying there and 2. Tried to continue driving instead of investigating.

Granted there's not much reason to keep a man like this in jail (As he is no danger to the general public, except when in a car), he should certainly be banned from driving for 10 years at least.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Despite the driver's inability to explain why he did it, or accept any responsibility for his actions, I'd like to think that Dibble would have done enough investigation to rule out a "brake check", i.e. successful attempted murder.

I'd really like to think that.


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had simply slowed down on the M65 in Lancashire to take the turn-off for the M61, he said.
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Walsh, from Hapton, near Burnley, was driving along the M65, near Walton-Le-Dale, to his office in Warrington.


Burnley to Warrington via M61? Curiouser and curiouser.
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:
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His car stalled and when he started it

There is info that doesn't make sense in the published story.


I would guess he was in top gear and slammed on the brakes until it stalled, how else would they be able to estimate his speed at 10mph?
Thing is at some point between then and him restarting it the biker must have gone under the car and the car must have stopped completely. I'm sure it all happened very quickly but essentially the guy slammed on to the point that the car stalled and then stopped - on the frickin motorway!!
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seigi wrote:
Granted there's not much reason to keep a man like this in jail (As he is no danger to the general public, except when in a car), he should certainly be banned from driving for 10 years at least.


Also; he'll no doubt have 9 out of 10 'friends' who'll be exactly like the commenters and tell him it was the crazy speeding bikers fault and he did nothing wrong and "woe 'the man' is so evil for 'doin' you" etc. etc.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makes me wonder if those people commenting though about the cctv that watches most of the motorway traffic. Further to that they are properly the bastards that don't look before they change lanes, or the cyclist that pass on the left at a junction
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he had abs there's a good chance he would still be alive, i can kind of see why the EU want to or are makin it compulsary soon?
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lyam wrote:
If he had abs there's a good chance he would still be alive, i can kind of see why the EU want to or are makin it compulsary soon?


This is exactly what i thought until recently, but having read a few peoples opinions on here that having ABS actually increases the chance of coming off when you're cornering as it 'rights' the bike Confused left me a bit clueless about it now.

Personally i'd be all for ABS i think if it is generally a lot safer, additional cost or not, but seems to be a lot of disagreement from what i've gathered
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very, very sad. Makes me quite worried to be on a bike tbh!! Some idiot can end your life in seconds because he nearly missed a junction. Very scary stuff.



On a side note., I personally think this would be a good advert for ABS on bikes :/

Hate to say that, but... I imagine it would have done a lot to help.

EDIT: Even though this makes me a bit sick to my stomach, its usually my job to make a joke of everything... So, what the fuck was a biker doing in the slow lane? Razz


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PostPosted: 21:51 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lyam wrote:
If he had abs there's a good chance he would still be alive, i can kind of see why the EU want to or are makin it compulsary soon?


I fail to see how doing sit ups would have improved his outcome..
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

He braked because he was about to miss his turn-off, but if he had braked because an animal ran out, or because of some other 'legitimate' event, the result would have been the same. It seems a little harsh to attribute the death squarely to him when it wasn't all his fault.

I'm not sure I'd like it if it became normal practice to question WHY a driver or rider braked when attributing blame for a rear ender. "I hit you because you stopped to let that car out when you should have carried on", and other such arguments do not deserve the time of day.

There could be more to it, as always (e.g. if the car actually changed lanes and braked in front of the bike, then that's a completely different story), but it seems like a tragic accident with blame on both sides... and I'd have to place most of the blame on whoever hit the vehicle in front.
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"I hit you because you stopped to let that car out when you should have carried on", and other such arguments do not deserve the time of day.


Definately agree with that.

But I think in this case [presuming the information is accurate of course] as it isn't a 'freak accident' from an animal - and to be honest on a motorway i wouldn't be slamming the breaks on down to a speed of 10mph even if an animal did run out - which is the irresponsible part as it would seem there was no justified defence for why he did this [even from the driver himself].

If he did indeed brake purely as he was about to miss his junction - deserves a lot more than hes got in my opinion.

There probably is cases the car driver could be completely innocent in such a scenario, perhaps a blowout of a tyre or something bringing/forcing him to such an abrupt stop, in which case theres a bit more allowance to 'blaming' the motorcyclist, but in this case you have the evidence of a blow-out or other mechancal failure to defend the driver in most cases.

And even then i'd say its bad luck on behalf of the motorcyclist in my opinion - i think you would struggle to find many drivers bike or car that wouldn't be close to rear ending if someone slammed their brakes on to a near dead stop mid motorway with a seemingly clear road ahead.
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 10 Aug 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

the biker was probably far behind the car until it ha slowed down to 10mph, then he probably realized wtf is that car moving??

your eyes arent used to seeing vehicles not moving in the motorway. i once narrowly missed hitting a car that had stopped in the fast lane i didnt even see it, someone was overtaking me then all of a sudden slammed on the anchors, i looked behind me and could see whoever was in it was trying to start it as the lights were trying to come on. I came off and turned back immediately but by that time a silver honda crx had hit it full on, the ford ka was half its size and the crx was in even worse shape with the guy lying on the road and people around him. this was at 11pm.
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