When Do Police Officers Lie?

[Raffles]

Whenever their lips move.
Joking aside, some police officers do seem to have a tough time when it comes to telling the truth. It would also seem that the higher their rank, the bigger the lies that they are willing to tell.
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[mistergixer]

Awesome. A showdown between the 2 groups most noted for lying, protecting their own, and misusing and abusing their position and authority.
Usually, they'd be in each other's pockets, working together to fit up normal people....but this time it's personal!!


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I think it's a case of they can't help themselves.
IMHO the vast majority of police are there to do the job, get paid and get on with life.

A minority are attracted to the job because they are amoral and/or can be diagnosed as sociopaths (sociopaths usually hide it very well!).

IMHO it's a case of they think that there version is the truth. This also extends to whatever they think is the law should/is the law therefore you're nicked attitude.

I like it when I meet a copper who does the job without any fuss or grandstanding. I've met a few. I found those that are into rugby to be more human (unless it's an inter services match!). To be fair the others did have Detective as part of their title!
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[Quornholio]

Corruption abounds.

When the mrs took them to court over wrongful arrest, pages out of notebooks went missing, notebooks went missing, and so on. They also try and go beyond the powers they have.

The question is, how can you expect them to reasonably uphold the law, if they don't know the law they're supposed to uphold?

[oldpink]

TBH most of the police I've had to deal with have been Ok
yes you get the odd c*** (normally traffic cops from my experience)
but our local beat cops are Ok and friendly to chat to, couple of times they came to the local field
when we had the boys out on there bikes and asked us to move as people were complaining about the noise
or give it a rest for a bit (until we are gone and have been seen to show up)

but for really friendly down to earth cops, Amsterdam is the place
I know a couple of coppers over there and often sit in the company with a few others
and I just love it when Henk hands me a joint or passing it to another copper
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[fatpies]

Its called cognitive dissonance, the uniform legitimises their authority and power over others.

Have a read of the Stanford Prison experiment and the Milgram electric shock experiment.


It is unfortunately human nature, and we can all talk big about our morality but put us in those shoes and we'd probably happily be lying and abusing our powers too.
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[stinkwheel]

Certainly my Dad was recently handed a police notebook to sign which on closer inspection turned out to contain an entirely fabricated, pre-prepared statement of him admitting to having committed a public order offence when he reported being the victim of an assault.

He got halfway through writing "This is not what happened" at the bottom when it was snatched off him.

Investigation is ongoing but unlike me who is a cynical bastard, he did not insist on recording the notebook number because he wasn't aware of such things. I strongly suspect said notebook will never be seen again.
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[pepperami]

When do police officers lie?................ Whenever it suits their needs . or when they don`t like you.
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[trevor saxe-coburg-gotha]

What really fucks me off with this shit is why Mitchell doesn't just say what he fucking well said to the coppers. What's so difficult here. I've believed for a while now that he said something *worse* than the police are reporting. E.g. instead of plebs, "pricks" - or whatever.

So in effect the police HAVE lied about what he said - but only because they didn't want to make it look as bad as it was, although still wanting to get the bastard to apologise. But it's all got stupidly out of hand, and that fucker Mitchell is in my view loads worse than the coppers.
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[Quornholio]

[pepperami]

[N cee thirty]

Even if he did call them plebs, who cares, he's a snob, no bones about it.

Now, when the supposed people that are suppose to serve society, lie about whats been said, for whatever reason, that is when we have an issue.
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If he didn't say this word, then I rather suspect the word 'pleb' was chosen politically.

The police were making a big fuss about this at the time, getting very 'political' about it - I seem to remember when some of the Hillsborough stuff was on I think, that they almost seemed to be trying to use this to show them as the poor victimised types.

Personally, I suspect a lot of police get much worse shouted at them regularly and don't make a point of shouting about it.

I do think the police should be more accountable.
I am not surprised that we get many that are far from perfect with the pay and conditions they often have to face.

[Quornholio]

[Raffles]

Andrew Mitchell has openly admitted to uttering, in exasperation, the ''F'' word.
The police officers concerned chose, for reasons known only to themselves, to expand and over-egg the incident. They lied, as they routinely do, and fully expected to get away with so doing.
Like most police officers, the ones concerned were obviously not drawn from the brightest gene pool and they failed to foresee that their statements may subsequently be scrutinised microscopically.
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[Rogerborg]

So, according to the Prime Minister of the UK, we should think ourselves "fortunate" if we manage to record our interactions with the police? Noted.

Mitchell, I should stress, is a nasty piece of work, and it's entirely in character for him to have busted out the p-word, so I guess this really is a win all round.
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[Im-a-Ridah]

So just to confirm that the guns are in the safest hands?

Them
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/21/article-1221941-06B4C464000005DC-632_634x384.jpg

You
https://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/mykonos-man-with-walking-stick-madeline-ellis.jpg

[stinkwheel]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24546660

Did wonder if it might be worth seeing if any had ties with or received 'favours' from Labour party people - but suspect it's more likely just covering arses.

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Meeting of Mitchell and senior police types with transcription and audio.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24537521

Interesting that he felt the need to record it at the time.

Also interesting that seems there to be acting considerably more 'honourably' than he was generally painted, even without this whole episode.

[Quornholio]

I don't blame him for recording it - he probably knows full well the police aren't beyond concocting evidence/denying what happened.

[Rogerborg]