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retrobiker
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 14 Oct 2013    Post subject: first lesson on big bike Reply with quote

had my cbt last month and bought what I think will be a keeper for a 125 a Suzuki vanvan

first lesson is next week on a xj600 Yamaha....... so what to expect

yeah I know the instructor will guide me but want some other input
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 14 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

First big bike I got on was an XJ600 and my first thought when I met my first bend was 'this thing ain't turning like my 125'.
The 600 will feel like its resisting the turn so you'll need to use your body a lot more than if you were on your van van.
Also, depending on your stature, you may experience some cramps in some awkward places due to the different riding position but these things will pale into insignificance when you feel the powah!! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 14 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll find the pegs a bit further back I reckon; you'll find a fair bit more weight and you'll expect it to be less stable but actually it's going to be far more stable which really helps with confidence.


Don't sweat it, it'll be fine.
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 14 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

After several months on a 125, I started an abbreviated DAS course so that I could take my test on bike big enough to get my A license. When I got on the school's Suzuki Gladius for the first time, it felt really, really heavy and huge. Like riding an elephant. I was afraid to give it too much throttle, so gave it way too little and wobbled around the parking lot for a while. After a few minutes, though, you get used to it. I had no problems for the rest of the day. The bigger bike is actually easier to ride than the 125, even though that's counter-intuitive.

A warning: At the end of the first day, I got on my CBF125 to go home and nearly died at the first roundabout... I got used to the acceleration of the Gladius and misjudged the gap in front of a lorry. Be a bit cautious when going back to the Van Van.
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 14 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If its the new naked model dont listen to the above. Turns very easily even at low speeds.

Older model is a bit of a lump but the power will be a welcome change.
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 14 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
If its the new naked model dont listen to the above. Turns very easily even at low speeds.


And I totally agree which is why I should have explained in more detail, the bend was more of a curve so we weren't going slow or slowing down, in fact quite the opposite which is why the bike wanted to sit upright.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 14 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

looking forward to it and a bit apprehensive

Not sure how old but looks fairly new no more than 5 year old, has big bars on the front , like engine guards
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 14 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

retrobiker wrote:
looking forward to it and a bit apprehensive


You'll be fine. Doesn't take long to get a feel for the bigger bikes.

I remember doing a couple of days on a 125 and then getting onto the 500 and thinking it was going to be really unstable and difficult, but actually it was significantly easier.
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 14 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

retrobiker wrote:
looking forward to it and a bit apprehensive

Not sure how old but looks fairly new no more than 5 year old, has big bars on the front , like engine guards


In a nutshell if it has a round headlight its the old model, if its a cool looking shape then its a new one. Wink
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 14 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

head lamp is almost a v shape


got a lot to learn about the bigger bikes Embarassed
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PostPosted: 08:10 - 15 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

retrobiker wrote:
head lamp is almost a v shape


got a lot to learn about the bigger bikes Embarassed


Newer model then.

Knowledge comes with time. Once you've got your licence you'll covet so many different bikes online that you start to get used to the general design cues between companies and can identify a yammy vs a kwak on these - but it is a lot more difficult than identifying a car at first glance.

Well maybe not so much nowadays where a small euro box is the same whether it's Ford or Fiat.
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 15 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
you'll find a fair bit more weight and you'll expect it to be less stable


First time I sat on a big bike and kicked away the side stand I thought "bloody hell this is heavy and unwieldy"...

Then rode away and it felt so much better than a 125.

When I got back on my YBR afterwards it was he YBR that suddenly felt unwieldy, big bikes are so much easier.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 15 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

recman wrote:
First big bike I got on was an XJ600 and my first thought when I met my first bend was 'this thing ain't turning like my 125'.
The 600 will feel like its resisting the turn so you'll need to use your body a lot more than if you were on your van van.
Also, depending on your stature, you may experience some cramps in some awkward places due to the different riding position but these things will pale into insignificance when you feel the powah!! Thumbs Up


I agree with this, but I'd say it's more a case of moving with the bike than "using" your body.

The first thing that struck me about riding a big bike was that it felt like there was no way I was going to be able to control such a massive lump of metal, I was sure I was going to drop it within 30ft.

I think it's important to be confident about slow-speed maneuvers on bigger bikes; it's easy to control them once they are rolling but when you want to turn at low speeds (U-turns for example) you can not paddle your feet; you can get away with that on a 125 but on a big bike your legs will not support the weight if it keels over. Use the clutch to make low-speed turns; it's murder on the clutch plates but it's the normal method.


Keep your arms and shoulders very loose and relaxed; use your legs to anchor yourself, you don't need to hold the handlebars in a death-grip.
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