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prawny1
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 25 Oct 2013    Post subject: trailers, anyone used one? Reply with quote

I have been giving though to building a trailer recently but would like some advice from those that tow regards hitch mounting, what is easier to tow with chassis mounted or axle/ swing arm mounted?

And what is more natural to tow single wheel or two wheel in regards of adjusting riding style cornering etc.

I am torn between a single wheel set up with custom pivots or a two wheel with regular towball (and maybe swivel hitch) so that it can be used on the cars in the household too.

Single wheel would be lighter so I could carry more weight (150kg total or 2/3 towing bike weight) but would put more of the weight on the hitch.

two wheel would have a removable box so that I could hopefully make a towing dolly for lightweight bikes and scooters, and if set up and loaded right should put the majority of the load on the trailer.
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 26 Oct 2013    Post subject: Re: trailers, anyone used one? Reply with quote

If your two wheels are across the plane of travel rather than inline, then the weight on the hitch will be the same as with a single wheel - it will be determined by the position of the load in relation to the position of the wheels.

When I made a push bike trailer I intentionally made it put a fair bit of pressure on the 'hitch' - this way the weight was on the driven wheel, which in slippery Glastonbury mud is exactly where you want it!

Also, "get a car"?
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 26 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not used one myself, but on my random wanderings across the interwebs I read some stuff this guy posted up..

https://nomad.eurekaboy.com/mctrailer.htm
https://goldwing.eurekaboy.com/trailerv2.htm
https://goldwing.eurekaboy.com/trailerv3.htm

Doesn't directly answer your question, but might be an interesting read.
I was into the stuff he was putting up about his Jeep at the time, but dear God does he tinker with his Goldwing as well.
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 26 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G most single wheel trailers have the wheel on the furthest most end so it would be nigh on impossible to keep the weight over the trailer wheel like could with a two wheel unless the two wheel also has rear biased wheels .

I understand what you're saying about it all being down to how you load the trailer tough.

I would like something like the mk3 trailer jnw010 linked to If I go two wheel or something like the mk1 with a single wheel.
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 26 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

But is there a good reason they are like that?

It's quite possible they were trying to achieve what I was going for.
Or it may be a case of keeping the weight low and not taking away from space inside the trailer.
I don't see that they should have to be like that.
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 29 Oct 2013    Post subject: Trailers Reply with quote

I used to tow a trailer with my XV750 years ago, it was a 2 wheel model called a shuttle made by a company called freewheel UK (in fact it's only this year that I got around to selling it)
I did many trips with it covering thousands of miles without any trouble. It didn't upset the handling at all but then the XV is a custom cruiser!! I used a hitch that was mounted to the frame and didn't find a need to use a coupling that swivelled as I could still scrape the centre stand. In truth I had to make a conscious effort to remember it was there. It was a great way of carrying loads of gear for camping - frame tent, stove/grill, gas bottle, chairs, table etc but looking back I guess I didn't really need all the stuff, I just took it because I could. At the time it was cost effective as good luggage systems were mega money and not that good, these days I don't go camping on the MT01 I stay in hotels/guest houses so all I need to carry is spare clothes, the trailer was a lot of fun, but with decent luggage systems that don't cost fortunes, do you need the inconvenience that a trailer brings?
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 31 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just be careful where you go. As some country it's against the law to tow with a bike. Unless that's changed. Read that some place. The story went something like this.
They got through the boarder OK with a bike and trailer. Only to be stopped up the road with a spot fine. Turned out no towing on a motor bike. Why they were not told at the crossing I have no idea.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 31 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I towed a trailer with pan euro. Quite a lot of miles as well.
It was ok, even moving a lot quicker than i should have been.

It was a standard 50mm ball on the back and no issues at all.

If you build a trailer you'l have to get it inspected at cost to you to make it legal.
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 31 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marmalade wrote:

If you build a trailer you'l have to get it inspected at cost to you to make it legal.

Not sure if that's the case if it's a home build rather than comercial?
If you're selling you have to get it type approved now I believe.

However, if it wasn't a new trailer, but you actually bought an old one (got it off a classified ad, innit), maybe adapted it a bit - it should be fine.
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 31 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.armitagetrailers.com/trailerlaw.htm
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 31 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Seems you've got until next year if you can blag it as 'special purpose'. If it's got living accommodation, that counts, it seems!

But, of course, again, if you completed it a couple of years ago and had it sitting in a shed since, then it'd be absolutely fine.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 31 Oct 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

John933 wrote:
Just be careful where you go. As some country it's against the law to tow with a bike. Unless that's changed. Read that some place. The story went something like this.
They got through the boarder OK with a bike and trailer. Only to be stopped up the road with a spot fine. Turned out no towing on a motor bike. Why they were not told at the crossing I have no idea.
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Yeah thanks for the heads up, I think most of the e.u. (don't know about the u.s.a) allow you to as a guest so long as the trailer conforms to your own countries regs.

mtriderrob, I although a mechanic for over a decade don't drive cars on public roads (only provisional b licence) i'm just a bit sick of rucksacks and saddle bags etc now.

What high was your hitch approx? thinking on it the swivel would only be needed if the hitch was high up or I was trying to be rossi (no chance on a cb-1 Laughing).

The small bike dolly idea was going to be a two wheel trailer set up with a separate removable tow frame like this but instead of bolting to the car it would site on the spine if the trailer chassis (which would be a capital T shape with bracing to the front).

https://www.billybob1.com/insta-tow/tow2-800.jpg

The tow frame would mount on the trailer chassis just in front of the wheels to keep the tow weight on the trailer as much as possible.

I was then going to build a separate box unit that sat with the trailer wheels in the middle like a standard box trailer taking advantage of the 2.5m allowed trailer length.

Tere is a little bit of a grey area regards towing another bike as for as I can see, If you are towing a broken down bike the weight and length rules apparently do not apply "but" I do not know if it applies if the bike is partially mounted onto a trailer?

I have been told I can carry longer "loads" so long as I display some sort of a reflective triangle (?) as the length restrictions only govern the trailer length not the load length (again not sure of that?)
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 01 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

prawny1 wrote:

What high was your hitch approx?


Off the top of my head I can't remember (I've had more than a few sleeps since then) but I do remember that there is a standard hitch height for towbars so I used that figure when I fabricated it which is apparently measured to the centre of the ball.
The chassis was a simple T with the suspension units mounted at each end of the cross piece and a standard 50mm hitch. I used to carry around a copy of the construction and use regulations as I was tugged a few times in the UK and plod generally didn't know it was legal (that was back in the mid 80's) but I never had a problem all around Europe apart from an on the spot fine for speeding in Germany.
These days most of my touring is done using my caravan apart from the odd trip away/abroad with the lads on the bikes so a decent tank bag and tailpack suffice for a weeks worth of clothes, it also means I get to kip in a decent bed instead of on the floor in a tent when I'm away on the bike.
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 08 Nov 2013    Post subject: should probably new thread but meh Reply with quote

I know the weight limit is different with a trike being allowed to carry 256kg rather than 150kg or 2/3 towing vehicle weight.

But do the rules on the trailer dimensions also apply to trikes?
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

does anyone make a trailer that the bike can tow - to carry camping equipment etc
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikersupermoto wrote:
does anyone make a trailer that the bike can tow - to carry camping equipment etc


Yes.

https://www.mono-trail.co.uk


to be honest I looked into this a number of years ago - the idea of touring with zero luggage 'on' the bike itself was very attractive... but the costs were too high for me to bear at the time.

I liked this set-up. Its a shame the sidecar obscures the 'hitch' - but hey ho.

https://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w40/motobiker/fullyloaded.jpg~original

all these years later Im still 'thinking' about it.. if a second hander appeared at a reasonable price then I might be tempted. but other than that its just an idle thought.
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