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PostPosted: 12:24 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reverse around a corner Reply with quote

My missus has just failed her driving test for the second time on a reverse around a corner. Her test sheets show one minor over two tests.
In my opinion this is a pointless manoeuvre and whoever thought of it ought to be shot at dawn. Why is it part of the test?
Also, is there an appeals procedure? She's had the same examiner both times fail her for the same thing and apparently he's well known in the area (Harehills test centre).

I'm hoping somebody will help me to make his life difficult in a very official and legal manner. (I'm looking at you, Rogerborg Laughing )
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most simple solution - teach her how to reverse around a corner!
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its one of the few practical parts they assess you on. I passed doing it, fuck knows how... I hate reversing.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curious how she actually reverses around a corner now.

Driving instructor I used to know put tape lines on the rear window. This allowed her to tell her pupils to use them to judge going round the corner or parallel park and how far off kerb.
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
Curious how she actually reverses around a corner now.

Driving instructor I used to know put tape lines on the rear window. This allowed her to tell her pupils to use them to judge going round the corner or parallel park and how far off kerb.


I did something similar.

Used the rear window-wiper mount as a reference point to let me know how close I was to the kerb and to keep me on track.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Reverse around a corner Reply with quote

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My missus has just failed her driving test for the second time on a reverse around a corner. Her test sheets show one minor over two tests.
In my opinion this is a pointless manoeuvre and whoever thought of it ought to be shot at dawn. Why is it part of the test?
Also, is there an appeals procedure? She's had the same examiner both times fail her for the same thing and apparently he's well known in the area (Harehills test centre).

I'm hoping somebody will help me to make his life difficult in a very official and legal manner. (I'm looking at you, Rogerborg Laughing )


Can't manoeuvre a car in both directions == can't drive. I fully support the idea of ensuring that people can complete rather basic tasks in a car.

What happens one day when she heads into a blocked street? She just waits there until someone competent comes along?
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see you've all jumped to the conclusion of "She can't reverse"

She can, I've seen her do it. She's more than good enough to pass the test, hence the lack of minors. The examiner is just being a dick and failing her for being more than 1.5 knats cocks away from the curb. Should it even be a major fault? I thought the requirement for that was that it had the potential to cause danger to other road users.
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just angle the left hand mirror down and in so you can see the rear wheel and the kerb at the same time. I'm sure there is nothing to stop you doing that before you start the reverse, remember to put it back before carrying on with the next instruction.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
I see you've all jumped to the conclusion of "She can't reverse"

She can, I've seen her do it. She's more than good enough to pass the test, hence the lack of minors. The examiner is just being a dick and failing her for being more than 1.5 knats cocks away from the curb. Should it even be a major fault? I thought the requirement for that was that it had the potential to cause danger to other road users.


Examiners don't fail on a whim, there's no benefit to the examiner. Your g/f will have been a long way away even if she doesn't feel as though she was.

If she can't perform a simple manoeuvre to test standards then she's not ready to pass the test... simple as that really. Just try again and get more practice!
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Fzs wrote:
i bet the guy over complicates it no end


Ohhhh yes they do.


I've done some research and the only regulation I can see is that you must have the ability to reverse the car from a main road into a side street. No mention of how close to the curb or anything, although I'd love to find the guidelines for that.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
Curious how she actually reverses around a corner now.

Driving instructor I used to know put tape lines on the rear window. This allowed her to tell her pupils to use them to judge going round the corner or parallel park and how far off kerb.


My first driving instructor had all sorts of coloured stickers here there and everywhere all over the bottom of the windscreen,

I remember coming to do the 'reverse around a corner' manouvre and him telling me to line up with a sticker, I said that doesn't line up... to which he said it does to all his other pupils.

On that note I complied and tried to understand his bullshit, TL;DR that was my last lesson with him and I got another instructor who actually taught me how to do things with the right technique

He said in his opinion instructors that teach with stickers aren't as good, which I completely agree with.. take from that what you will Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My instructor just said "Look here, use this point, turn this and reverse like this" - Tried and got better until I was able to do it on my own.

I don't know why women fail so hard at reversing, but they should definitely be able to do it before passing their test. It's quite a big part of being able to drive.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So in answer to my questions:

-Why is it a part of the test? Nobody knows

-Is there an appeals procedure? It turns out there is, but if you win the appeal all you get is a free retest. The only way you win is if the test hasn't been carried out to regulation, which it had as the manoeuvre was requested. There's no grounds for "I failed you because I'm a miserable bastard and I don't like you"
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
So in answer to my questions:

-Why is it a part of the test?


To show that you're competent in both directions and to prepare you for actually driving on the road...

I've reversed around a corner twice in the last week. Once because I happened across a blocked road and the other just because I wanted a parking space on the other side of the road and didn't fancy 3 point turning on a busy road - reversing around a corner was much easier.

It's good that you clearly care for your girlfriend, that doesn't mean that she's perfect at it. At the very worst just go to another test centre.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody reverses around a corner, I never have and out of the dozens of people I've asked over the last six years since I started driving, none of them had.

I have told her to use a different test centre though, she's actually much closer to Wakefield, with Harehills being right on the other side of Leeds (Harehills is north-east, she lives south of the city). Wakefield has a higher pass rate and a car park, go one of your manoeuvres is certainly a reverse park. Then it's just a 1/3 chance of getting reverse around a corner on the road.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
So in answer to my questions:

-Why is it a part of the test? Nobody knows
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You use exactly the same procedure to reverse into or out of a parking space in a car park....

Given the amount or crap parking where they are at all sorts of angles in the spaces. A lot of people are totally crap at this.....

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PostPosted: 14:00 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
Nobody reverses around a corner, I never have and out of the dozens of people I've asked over the last six years since I started driving, none of them had.



Oh right. I guess I must not exist then.

Every time I leave home in my car the very first thing I do is reverse around a corner, but apparently nobody does that.

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PostPosted: 14:05 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
Nobody reverses around a corner, I never have and out of the dozens of people I've asked over the last six years since I started driving, none of them had.


I wonder how many people have just told you they've done it (like me) and still you go on asserting that nobody ever does?

Some people only go to and from work and rarely have to venture out of their comfort zone of same streets, same parking spaces. Occasionally though everyone will meet the unknown and actually being able to reverse a car safely and under control is important.

Quick non-scientific poll - who else has reversed around a corner (or related manoeuvre) in the past month? (for the purposes of this paddling your bike round a corner doesn't count.
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to a different test centre if the examiner is part of a conspiracy against those who can't reverse around corners.

Or, she could just learn to drive to test standard.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
I wonder how many people have just told you they've done it (like me) and still you go on asserting that nobody ever does?


Yep Laughing Less than 1% of the people I've surveyed (Only you two who've popped up in the last ten minutes) perform this manoeuvre, therefore I'm rounding that up to 100%

Tell me you stick within a cock hair of the curb though. Would it pass a test? I've performed some really tight, skillful and difficult feats of reversing in the past, but although nothing got damaged and no kittens were slain, it'd still be a test failure.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to do a similar maneuver almost every day... on a narrow street, back into an alley and then drive back out and go the other way along the road.

Adjust her side mirrors so she can see the very edge of the car... and so, the curb.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't since driving but I nailed it on the test.

It isn't done because it is a common manoeuvre, it done to show you have control of the car.

It's the same as the bike test no one needs to turn their bike round in the road without putting a foot down. It is to show competency.
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