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The Disapproving Brit
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 18 Nov 2013    Post subject: Engine Swap - how difficult? Reply with quote

I've got a donor bike, tested it and it runs OK. I've got the service manual, and based on what's in there, it looks like a straightforward enough job.

Are there any gotchas I need to be careful of when I'm doing an engine swap? This will be my first crack at such a big job. The only significant difference is that my bike has a different exhaust (single instead of dual exhausts), but if I'm not swapping the carbs, that shouldn't make any odds, should it?
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 18 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If its a different exhaust setup then really you ought to be changing the carb/carbs as they'll be jetted to suit their respective exhausts.

just remember to drain coolant, remove clutch cable, disconnect crank breather and take your chain off!
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 18 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The exhausts are staying on their respective bikes, its just the engine thats getting swapped, hence the carbs staying where they are.

The bike is '83 VF400.
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's actually not as big a job as it looks, the most difficult bit is trying to hold the damn lump steady while you slide the first bolt in.
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The V4 engines are a pain as the frame is tiny and exhaust system is complex.

On a different, but related note, do you have the exhausts off both bikes yet? When removing an engine, the exhaust studs can have a tendency to snap off, which can cause problems in disassembly and the inevitable having to sort out stud extraction before re-assembly.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 19 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah right, that's ok then.

If the bike is running in its current state is there any reason not to build that one up into a full bike using all your "best bits"?
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 21 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

SteveZZR wrote:

If the bike is running in its current state is there any reason not to build that one up into a full bike using all your "best bits"?


The one with the working engine pretty much has ONLY a working engine. Electrics are fucked, brakes are seized, plus there's the paperwork hassle of V5, MOT, insurance etc. Swapping the engine seems like a simpler, albeit bigger, job.

Blue_SV650S wrote:

On a different, but related note, do you have the exhausts off both bikes yet? When removing an engine, the exhaust studs can have a tendency to snap off, which can cause problems in disassembly and the inevitable having to sort out stud extraction before re-assembly.


I haven't fully got the exhaust off either yet, and it's looking like it's going to be postponed for another week or so yet. The lack of daylight and dry weather after work, and the other half wanting to do things every weekend, is slowing me right down.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 21 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Certainly be extremely tricky if you intend to do the job alone. As mentioned, V4s are very 'snug' fit, as a rule. They normally come out of the frame fine...but getting them in the other way can be fraught. Definitely need the help of a mate, ideally a big lump with arms like tree trunks Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 21 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

not a hard job like other poster said only bit that might be a pain is exhaust studs, if it was me i'd be coating them in wd40 for a few days before.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 21 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

yampug wrote:
not a hard job like other poster said only bit that might be a pain is exhaust studs, if it was me i'd be coating them in wd40 for a few days before.


It would be better to use a penetrating fluid, plusgas or suchlike.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 21 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatjames wrote:
yampug wrote:
not a hard job like other poster said only bit that might be a pain is exhaust studs, if it was me i'd be coating them in wd40 for a few days before.


It would be better to use a penetrating fluid, plusgas or suchlike.


yep they would be preferable i was just thinking something most people have got in their garage.
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 21 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

People removing engines need plus gas, a hammer and a spare set of hands, minimum Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 21 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

i did my fj1200 engine on my own so a 400 shouldn't be to hard. trolley jack and nice flat floor is very helpful. at one point i did wonder if it was bolted to the floor when i thought i'd see just how heavy a 1200cc engine was to lift using just brute force and stupidity.
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 21 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of people say that it's not a good idea to drop the V4s onto the sump; building a wooden frame of 4x1 so the case takes the weight is usually the done thing.

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