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Tigran
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 17 Nov 2013    Post subject: A2 Licence and legal bikes Reply with quote

Ok, so the question i have is whether or not a Suzuki GSX600F Katana is a bike that i could legally ride after passing my A2 licence.

At the moment i have a varadero 125, i shall be 18 soon, and i cannot be bothered to wait till 19 to get an A2 licence, hence i will be doing it in poland. (you can do it when your 18, and much cheaper)

The main question is about the suzuki, and if this is not a legal bike for an A2 licence, could somone direct me to a site that would contain such info as to which bikes i can ride.
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adam277
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PostPosted: 04:22 - 18 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep you can restrict that. Anything that is not over 93bhp stock (Ish)
you can restrict.
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PostPosted: 08:47 - 18 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there really needs to be a sticky thread containing a list of bikes and outlining the rules. Seems to be a very common thread topic.

Also, I think the rules are different on the Isle of Man? I don't think they have the A2 category. Think being the operative word here, research required.
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 18 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the reply, is a restriction something that you can do by yourself or do you really need a mechanic to do this sort of thing?
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PostPosted: 09:00 - 18 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It can be done yourself, however taking it to a garage means that you'll get some sort of guarantee for the work and a restriction certificate for if you get pulled over.

I looked on the Isle of Man government webby, they don't mention anything about an A2 license, but they say you do have to keep it under 50mph and use 'R' plates for 12 months there. I don't expect that will apply on mainland Britain.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 18 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given that folk have been selling 35kW restrictor kits for bikes that make over 70kW (GSXR-600), I wouldn't put much faith in any claim that they actually restrict down to 35kW. In any case, that's always going to be a voodomaths estimate of net power rather than measured rear wheel power. Dibble's dyno may very well come to a different conclusion.

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PostPosted: 13:42 - 18 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a look at GSXR-600's and the carb'd versions (pre-2000?) are right on the edge of 70kW, just a bit over. I'd argue that it could pass a dyno test, but that's not what the regulation says as the bike is designed to produce over that at peak condition.
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 18 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

ALL GSXR600S ARE OVER THE LIMIT.

hth Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 18 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The list is here: https://assets.dft.gov.uk/dsa-bl/dsa-motorcycle-mtv-jan13.pdf
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 18 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
ALL GSXR600S ARE OVER THE LIMIT.

hth Laughing


Even this one? Razz
I haven't got any official specs, but I'm sure one of the resident anoraks will.
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 18 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has been covered before. MCN and WIKI specs are RWHP, DVLA accept manufacturer crank HP which must be over 100hp.

It is a grey area though...With a dyno print out, cert of restriction, print of 92hp stock etc you might be ok. Technically illegal however...
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 18 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even that one, most 600cc sports are. Thundercats, GSXRs, CBRs, Even Hornets I think Question
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 18 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not really worth arguing, DVLA would only take it off you.

CBR and Hornet are far too powerful. I saw somewhere that the first generation of GSX-R600's was only 80bhp, but I've never seen one for sale or any actual proof of it.

The DVLA specify kW power at the engine and brake horsepower, which is power at the rear wheel. Confused
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 18 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
Paddy. wrote:
ALL GSXR600S ARE OVER THE LIMIT.

hth Laughing


Even this one?

Yes. MCN = derp, that's based on a Wikipedia citation of a dyno test report which is very clearly marked as rear wheel power.

The number that matters (sadly) is "net engine power", which means the engine on a bench, with even the electrics and oil / water pumps being run by an external source. It's a total fantasy figure, but it's what we're stuck with.
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 25 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:


I just looked at this... they don't give you much choice for A2 apart from some choppers which don't really interest me, btw whats the law on having a registered vehicle in a different country?
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PostPosted: 08:38 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tigran wrote:
nowhere.elysium wrote:

I just looked at this... they don't give you much choice for A2 apart from some choppers which don't really interest me

Bear in mind that's covering A2 test bikes, which need to be 395cc+ and 25-35kW. There are indeed very few bikes natively in that category. This was apparently pointed out to Brussels when the 3DLD was being drawn up, but they didn't give a stuff.

You could however get an A2 license on a GS500 or NC700 and then step back down to a 250. There are still a few around and I doubt there will much competition from other buyers.


Tigran wrote:
btw whats the law on having a registered vehicle in a different country?

Can you explain a bit more clearly what you mean?
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically, i want to do my A2 when im 18, becasue you're allowed to do so in for example Poland, where i originally come from. My question is, would i be able to use that european A2 licence in the uk to ride a 600cc bike in the Uk.

Regarding the question about registration, i heard you have to register your vehicle in the uk if it has been here for more than 6 months, does that time reset if the vehicle leaves the country in that 6 month period?
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tigran wrote:
Basically, i want to do my A2 when im 18, becasue you're allowed to do so in for example Poland, where i originally come from. My question is, would i be able to use that european A2 licence in the uk to ride a 600cc bike in the Uk.


I'd be careful about this. The domestic age limits, in all probability, still stand. I'm not entirely positive, but I know for definite that you can't pass a car test in the UK at 17, then drive in France where the legal age is 18. Don't see why it would be any different, seeing as UK legal age for the A2 bike licence is 19.
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