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PostPosted: 09:12 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use whatever 10w40 I have, I tend to keep it the same "type" so mineral, semi etc. I won't mix the two.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My CG does 30 miles a day 5 days a week, my oil is about £2.50 a liter, I change once a month every 600 miles, may let it go to 750 now and then.
At £2.50 a change its dirt cheap, I use the Viscol 10w40 from Quality Save stores, £9.99 for 4.5 liters, made by Rock Oil and its seems very good my engine is nice and quite with it.
Consensus on 125 engines is every thousand miles and there should be no problem on mixing oils as far as I know.
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mixing oils is fine just don't mix mineral (standard oils) with vegetable (Castrol R).
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brands of the same or equivalent grade of oil will mix.
There is some issue with synthetic, semi synthetic and non synthetic worth investigation though.

What is with the trend of changing engine oil so early.

Honda recommend change every 1800 miles or three months.

Why waste money and time. Modern oil ain't gonna go out of grade even at 2000 miles. Don't sweat this shit.

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The grade of the oil is it's ability to pour at certain temperatures. Mixing a low temp oil with a high temp oil will adjust this.
It can affect the protection factors of the oil too.
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You want over a litre easy...
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MilfHunter wrote:
Not a trend for me I couldn't care less when it's changed so long the engine keeps ticking over. Having said that it is what it is a 125cc and is running at full steam the best part of the time. So earlier changes are advised for longevity.

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Does there look enough to fill the engine?


Advised by?

Honda recomend a change at 1800 miles or three months. I bet they have more bike than you do. Smile

1800 or three months does make allowance for some 'extreme' use.

Unless you have seriously fucked up the engine fueling you won't hurt the oil in a 125.
As long as you are not abusing the engine then there is no real reason to waste money like this.

I run two 1000 + cc high performance bikes and the oil is changed once a year (by the dealer). Synthetic oils don't go out of grade so buy synthetic, run it until the OEM recommended service interval and save money and time.

Honestly you are not going to make it last longer. Of course running it low on oil, using shit oil, not servicing for 5000 miles won't do the engine any good.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
You want over a litre easy...


Did you have to turn your desk 90° to look at that?
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I change the oil in my Vara every 1000 miles. Always with the cheap stuff... to me, it is the sole reason it has got to the mileage it has.

I wouldn't leave oil in any of my bikes for more than 2500 miles, ever.
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
I change the oil in my Vara every 1000 miles. Always with the cheap stuff... to me, it is the sole reason it has got to the mileage it has.

I wouldn't leave oil in any of my bikes for more than 2500 miles, ever.


There is nothing mysterious about oil changes.

The best way to judge it is based on OEM recommendations.

1000 miles is nothing to a modern oil. Cheap oil is not a saving if you only keep it for about half the 'recommended' mileage.

The oil colour has no significance to the oil condition as new oil will go dark after 100 miles.

Over maintenance of anything is wasteful.

No one has produce any scientific evidence based study that overly frequent oil changes reduce engine wear.

In frequent oil changes are not recommended though.
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use the Vara on the motorway, sitting at the red line, 60 miles a day. The engine needs love. Wink

The way I see it, I'd rather spend the £6 of 4 litres (so 3 months worth of oil changes) than risk munching my engine. It has car mileage at the minute and it will keep working if the oil gets changed.

I couldn't care how you want to treat your more expensive bikes, but for a reliable little commuter that does the job daily, I'll treat it with some form of care.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I foresee a stripped sump plug thread...
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

1198 wrote:
I foresee a stripped sump plug thread...


77,000 miles, sump is as good as ever.
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
1198 wrote:
I foresee a stripped sump plug thread...


77,000 miles, sump is as good as ever.


I don't think that was aimed at you, Paddy Wink
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Covering all bases init
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are doing 80 miles a day, 6 days a week and swapping the oil every thousand miles then you're doing an oil change every two to three weeks, more or less?
As most accept it's the few moments after the cold start that does the damage to the engine, and you're doing presumably 40 mls per trip, say that you'd be better off following the service routine suggested by the bike'S experts / makers / engineers / designer, save a few quid on the fortnightly oil change and put it to a bike more suitable, that doesn't need to bounce on the rev limiter for upwards of a hour a day...
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What bike can do what the Varadero does daily?

Pass the popcorn
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Laughing Covering all bases init


Ha, true. It certainly wasnt aimed at you!
I personally have no snag with the idea of a reasonable modern oil doing 2,000 or more miles between changes, assuming 'decent' use of the bike.
However, I'm the kind who only starts a vehicle if I'm happy the trip will give it chance to warm up thoroughly - and if this means a detour to achieve this, all well and good!
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
What bike can do what the Varadero does daily?

Pass the popcorn


Is there a 250 version? I don't know, I'd have thought a 250 commuter would have been up to it? Not much dearer to run?
(Assuming licence held!! Again, not aimed at you Paddy!!!)
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, and I have moaned at Honda, even asked if there was anything in the pipeline, they called me up Shocked

Suggested I looked at the NC700X, tbh it is the right idea, but I was aiming for the <500cc tax bracket. 400 V twin or 350 V twin... ideal.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
No, and I have moaned at Honda, even asked if there was anything in the pipeline, they called me up Shocked

Suggested I looked at the NC700X, tbh it is the right idea, but I was aiming for the <500cc tax bracket. 400 V twin or 350 V twin... ideal.


There's a gap in the market it seems for a comfortable , 250-400cc no frills non race rep type of bike it seems?
25 years or so you'd have been snowed under with choice!
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

MilfHunter wrote:
Your mum and the mechanic professional that is not a Jo with google at his disposal.

Now didn't I say I normally change every 1000 - 1500 miles? For the sake of ten pounds I and a few hundred miles I am not really bothered about stretching it to 1800.

I don't understand when you say 'abusing' I am ringing its neck down a dual carriage way however I don't rag it from stone cold.

According to Paddy's varadero thread I read last year regular oil changes and it will keep munching up the miles. Already on 47XXX.

TLR: it's a 50/50 divide some changing more often is good others say pointless.


Are you attempting to 'abusive' me pal? Mad Laughing

I'll have you know my mum died and not long after my dad too so you feel free to take the pish out of an orphan if you must you cruel cunt.

The engine will not benefit from your excessive oil changes. That is all I am saying.

Somewhere someone said changing oil will save an engine.
This has no truth in it.

Abusing an engine does not necessarily mean ragging it.

Poor cold start regimes, lack of other maintenance issue like dirty air filter, blocked cooling system (cooling fins on air cooled engines are the cooling system for those who need everything spelled out) overloading ie not enough revs for gear/road speed.

The mentality of 'since I'm red-lining the beast I'll change the oil more frequently than the OEM advises.' is not going to save an engine.
I look after all sorts of engines for a living and we change oil as and when required. Either based on fuel usage, load computers say-so, service hours, or sometimes when operations permit, which may be significantly before 'due time' or after due time. On average (documented) we do not lose any engines due to poor lube regimes. (Unless very seriously neglected or running with fuel in the oil/overheating etc.
Soooooo you do not need to over-service an engine it is a waste of time and money and effort and worry.

Ragging an engine is silly therefore it is not a functional part of any sensible argument about engine maintenance.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 26 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
I run two 1000 + cc high performance bikes and the oil is changed once a year (by the dealer).

BMW dealer? Wouldn't trust them to change their socks. Razz

Also wouldn't bovver me in the slightest mixing mineral, semi and fully synthetic oils of the same or similar grades.

I'm not saying that it's a good idea, I'm saying that I would do it, and have done it, and I've yet to see it turn into lumpy gravy.

Heck, there's a chap who's put over a quarter of a million miles on a CBR600F who swears by diesel truck engine oil.

My settled opinion is that unless you're actually track racing (and I don't mean knee down on the local roundabout) then slop pretty much whatever you want in there whenever you can be bothered and then go and ride.
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