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PostPosted: 02:31 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Energica Ego MY2015... sort of cool. Reply with quote

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ2wJ93DSlY

Sort of cool Razz
150mph, 100kw with 144lb of torque.. Dayum.. Razz

30 min charge time apparently.
Didn't notice anything saying the mileage it gets though on 30 mins of charge..
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PostPosted: 06:54 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has internet connectivity Laughing

I like it, really like it Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:46 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The text below the video says 120 miles of 'real world riding'. Rather a bold claim for a 30 min recharge...
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

the whole designed and engineered in italy doesn't bode well for an electric bike,
i did like how the used the " in the 0-100 in under 3" nice touchind of a ode to cartography,


oh the bike, yeah, cool, pffft
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 09:58 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has potential, but I'd like to see how that charging system is meant to work. Some of the claims made seem a bit wild.

On a side note, check out the test ride video, and put on the dynaimcally translated subtitles; it's a like an even more surreal version of the bad lip reading videos.
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Energica Ego MY2015... sort of cool. Reply with quote

iMark wrote:
Didn't notice anything saying the mileage it gets though on 30 mins of charge..

At full power? 14, in theory. In practice, well, your guess is as good as mine. Make sure your phone is well charged so you can call for recovery.

It's 30 minutes to 80% charge from some unspecified lab DC source that nobody will have.

They claim a full charge "within 3 hours" from AC. Can you charge an 11.7 kW.h battery in that time? Sure, at somewhere north of 4kW and 17 amps from 230Vac. I wouldn't fancy its longevity though.

Interesting toy, but it's not the future of biking, it's a dead end. Lithium won't scale up economically: they're proud that this bike will be "exclusive".
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

wtf u mean SORT OF COOL ?!?!?!

its beautiful ( well of course it would be, its Italian for gawds sake!!! )

they even manage to make the thing Sound sexy!!! that whine as it accelarates in the vid omg - nearly had a wet dream.

want want want. i luuuuv it!.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Energica Ego MY2015... sort of cool. Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
In practice, well, your guess is as good as mine. Make sure your phone is well charged so you can call for recovery.


More numbers from them:

What about the range of Energica?
The range depends on its use, just like any type of vehicle. You’ll get about 150 km range with an average speed of 80 km/h, and 190/200 km with an average speed of 60 km/h (street circuit). On racetrack you’ll get about 50 km range with an average speed of 100 km/h, but the Energica Ego is a streetbike not a racebike!

And the real sucky part:
The price is not fixed yet, it will depends on the batteries price fluctuations on the market in 2014. We hope to remain between 22,000 to 25,000 € (25,000 to 28,000 $ + taxes) + VAT. Energica Ego will be available for purchase in 2015.
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Energica Ego MY2015... sort of cool. Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:

And the real sucky part:
The price is not fixed yet, it will depends on the batteries price fluctuations on the market in 2014. We hope to remain between 22,000 to 25,000 € (25,000 to 28,000 $ + taxes) + VAT. Energica Ego will be available for purchase in 2015.


So, likely the best part of £30K once you factor in "Rip-off Britain."

Nice to see an electric vehicle that doesn't look like a sci-fi prop though.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like it - want it
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet for a good chunk less money you could get your ICE bike made in to a similar spec.

The batteries are the main cost, as ever.

It has 11.7kwh.
It says 85% charge in 30 mins.
So that's charging at 19.89kw or 82 amps at 240v if it was 100% efficient.
So that's the equivalent of over 6 sockets all running maxed out.

I still don't see why it would appeal to anyone bar the super-rich and above.

Also, '258 kg'.
That's midway between a sports bike and a lightweight car.
If I'm going to have all that weight I want silly amounts of power, not a bit, which can be used for a short time.
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Energica Ego MY2015... sort of cool. Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
On racetrack you’ll get about 50 km range with an average speed of 100 km/h, but the Energica Ego is a streetbike not a racebike!




What kind of track do you average 60mph? Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
It says 85% charge in 30 mins.

Using some unspecified DC source, nothing you'll have in your home. I'd also strongly suspect that's not from completely empty.

The 3 hour charge time from 230Vac is just about credible, if you assume that's really about a 75% charge, which gets it down close to 13 amps.

Not that it matters, this isn't a public road commuter bike, it's a toy for the rich to throw around a track for a few laps until they bored of it.

You could buy an S1000RR, put 70,000 miles on it at 30mpg, and still have spent less in total than on this trinket.
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Re: Energica Ego MY2015... sort of cool. Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
What kind of track do you average 60mph? Laughing


Quite a few, it's difficult to figure out whether these speeds are average or max.

https://fastestlaps.com/raceways.html

Remember the speeds are set in very powerful cars that can corner *much* faster than this thing. If it's max then most circuits 100km/h is ok for an average sports bike. If it's average then 100km/h is ok for some circuits.
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a concept bike that will be produced in small numbers and cost the same as the other highly desirable limited production Italian exotica - they're going after the buyers of short-run Ducatis and Benellis, or someone that would buy a mint restored Laverda.

I'm happy with that. It's a step in the right direction. The next step is to produce something like a much prettier CB500 for about £15k, and then for the Japanese manufactuers to produce an ugly version of same for about £9k.

At that point, some people will buy them.

I can think of some crafty ways around the new licencing laws here too. If someone can bring out a bike which is compliant with some category in the new laws, but easily hacked/derestricted to make more power, kiddies will buy them.
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I'd also strongly suspect that's not from completely empty.


Quote:
BATTERIES CAPACITY - 11.7 kWh

LIFE - 1200 CYCLES @ 80% CAPACITY (100% DOD)

RECHARGE - 3.5h (0-100% SOC) Mode 1-2 or 3 charge, 30 min (0-85% SOC) Mode 4 DC Fast Charge

I'm presuming they don't actually mean it goes to 0%, but the point where the protection kicks in.
Whether the 11.7kw is including that or not is another matter.
Also I'm not sure what they mean by their cycles being listed to 80% capacity with (100% DOD) - that SHOULD be suggesting that you're mostly going from 0-80%. If you're using a fast charge, this seems more likely as even with lithium, the last bit should be fairly slow I believe.

Also, note the range is stated s 100km @ 100kph on the road. So at 62mph you get a whole 62 miles to play with. Woo.
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

60kg lighter at a price of about £12k and I think they might get somewhere. Otherwise...

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PostPosted: 17:08 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

0-62 in under 3 inches, that is very quick
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Call me old fashioned but I would rather a petrol powered bike over an electric one. Yes it looks good. But unless you have a garage with a power supply its next to useless. I dont. I dont fancy rigging up an extension lead to charge it up at nights and leaving it running from my flat window to the street.
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
It's a step in the right direction.

I really don't think it is. It's an interesting alleyway, which will end in a brick wall and a mugging for the owners.

It's a quarter ton bike built around a big lump of lithium with rare earth magnets in the motor. The free market can't actually make scarce materials common and cheap. If it could, then we'd be sprinkling gold on our cornflakes.

I'd like to think that in twenty years we'll all be zipping around on bikes powered by graphene-silicone supercapacitors, looking back with fond amusement at the folly of subsidising the resource hungry exploitation of few-and-far-between raw material in the name of saving the planet.
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just an recent observation, why does every battery powered motorcycle have a big bright LCD screen on it?Rolling Eyes

I know it might be stupid but when I take my phone, the 3.5 inches LCD takes about 25% of the battery life, backlight set on dim. I mean, if that LCD on those bikes mean it can do less miles, what is the point of having it? It's like having a motorcycle that intentionally spits fresh petrol into the exhaust, just because it looks cool. Thinking

But again, feel free to call me stupid, I don't know a thing about electric powered things. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:

But again, feel free to call me stupid,

Whistle

Taking the S4, first thing I find says it has a 2.6ah 3.7v battery. That's a total of 9.62wh or 0.00962kwh.
So that's about one twelve hundredth of this bike's battery for the entire phone battery.
If you were using the full 100kw power of the bike, that amount of energy would give you power for a third of a second.

We're talking a massively different scale here; so a bright screen shouldn't be a massive issue.

More to the point, the whole thing is rather silly - it's sold on form not function and a sci-fi screen is definitely 'form' Smile.

(I'll accept lack of undersanding of basic electrics Smile .)


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PostPosted: 18:12 - 29 Nov 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks G Smile
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