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PostPosted: 03:46 - 04 Dec 2013    Post subject: test faults? Reply with quote

I recently passed my theory and because of the year or so of l plate riding under my belt I've decided to attempt my test with no lessons. The DVLA website explains the two test pretty well so I know what I'm up against. My only question is what will count as a fault? Obviously not indicating, dodgy overtakes and the like will count but I've heard silly things like putting you right foot down (and thus not covering the rear brake) count too.

My plan is to simulate mod1 on a carpark a few times and for mod2 I'll just spend a while driving within speed limits and being on top of my life savers and distance between cars in front. Any more tips I could use?

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PostPosted: 05:01 - 04 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck riding a 125 for the rest of your life.
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PostPosted: 06:59 - 04 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

As mentioned, taking the tests on a 125 will only entitle you to ride a 125 and you'll have to take them again at some point. That said, if you are 17/18, it's an excellent idea to take the tests and start your new driver probation period. Even if you older, there's no better practice for the mod 1 & 2 than to actually take them. When you are ready to trade in your tiddler for something bigger, the tests won't be a big deal. You've done them before.

If you are confident on the 125 and know the rules of the road very well, you can pass with no lessons. Just ride confidently (i.e., not half the speed limit or six seconds behind the car in front) and safely (full obs) and you should be fine. The first module is the hard one. I failed at my initial go by tapping my foot down in the middle of the u-turn.
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PostPosted: 07:41 - 04 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

In mod 1, a foot down in the U-turn or slow speed stuff is generally a fail, as is locking the rear wheel in the stop test unless you rapidly correct it (protip: don't actually press the rear brake pedal, just put your foot on it). Most other things are minors. Remember to do shoulder checks for the imaginary traffic.

On mod 2, the big one is causing another road user to change speed or direction, i.e. to avoid hitting you. That's generally an instant fail.

Most other things are minors and you can rack up loads of them and still pass. Many DSA Dereks seem to have a rager on for "failure to make progress" or "undue hesitation", i.e. they want to see you use the posted speed as a target. Thumbs Down

My local lot are obsessed with unmarked junctions, probably because there are so few left. Watch out for them throwing situations like that at you - it's better to get a minor for progress / hesitation than a major for shooting through a junction in front of an oncoming vehicle.

Slow into junctions and roundabouts, sharpish out. Ride confidently and safely and you'll pass, there's no real trick to it.
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 04 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ta for replies so far.

I'm 21 and intended to move up to a 400 for now. According to the dvla you can take mod1 on a 125 but mod2 has to be on an appropriately big bike. I'd presumed I could do mod1 on my 125 then beg borrow or steal a bigger one for my mod2. Saying that though I'd probably need insurance and the like Confused
So, have I got to do both parts on a bigger bike? And if so would I be provided with one (at a price) by the test centre?

I'm trying to avoid lessons because of the cost and the fact I know how to ride a bike. But it seems I might have to get an instructor involved and line their pockets...

Also, remember the tests and rules were updated this year; so although it may not be wrong, advice from a test you passed however long ago might not be relavant (I'll take it anyway Smile )
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 04 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

esullivan wrote:
As mentioned, taking the tests on a 125 will only entitle you to ride a 125 and you'll have to take them again at some point.


Taking a test on a 125 is relatively pointless now and the issues surrounding taking yourself to test on a bigger bike are numerous and difficult to overcome.

speedyspeedyboy wrote:

I'm trying to avoid lessons because of the cost and the fact I know how to ride a bike. But it seems I might have to get an instructor involved and line their pockets...


You think you can ride a bike to test standard but an instructor/examiner may have different ideas.

If you want a full licence go pay for some lessons and use the skills/experience of a DSA instructor. That's not lining their pockets it's giving you the best chance of passing!
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 04 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
If you want a full licence go pay for some lessons and use the skills/experience of a DSA instructor. That's not lining their pockets it's giving you the best chance of passing!


I didn't mean it in a "I'm perfect on a bike and all instructors are money grabbing". I just meant to say if I can avoid spending money I will because it means I'll have more pennys for a new bike. I think I'll end up getting one lesson at least, just to help with my confidence and make sure I'm up to standard. But if I can get to a point I'd pass confidentially before that it would save unneeded spending. So, any hints and tips now I've explained myself better?


As for the faults: its basically don't put my foot down, don't skid and pretend there's traffic (signal, check mirrors etc) on mod1. And don't ride like a granny (over hesitation, slow acceleration), signal and look around, and don't get in anyone's way in mod2?
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 04 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd certainly recommend getting at least two or three lessons prior to taking your test. Of course it's not necessary but, having an instructor behind you assessing your riding and giving you some pointers of what you need to change with regards to passing your test is invaluable.

Top tip: when entering a one way road, make sure you do so on the right side of the road. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 04 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK so assuming you don't mind paying something then I would suggest talking to your local schools. If you ask then I'm sure somebody on here can suggest or recommend somewhere local to you.

An instructor would probably want to take a look at your riding out on the road. After this they could advise you on how much time it would take to get you through.

Take their advice, it's what they do. Probably at a minimum you would need one lesson preparing for mod1 then another for going to and completing the test. After that it's probably going to be a lesson preparing for mod2 test and then another to go and do the test.
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 04 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

speedyspeedyboy wrote:
According to the dvla you can take mod1 on a 125 but mod2 has to be on an appropriately big bike.

Where did you hear that? And it's not the DVLA, it's the DVSA (DSA + VOSA).

speedyspeedyboy wrote:
So, have I got to do both parts on a bigger bike?


Almost certainly yes: You must use the same sub-category of motorcycle for both modules of the test.

speedyspeedyboy wrote:
And if so would I be provided with one (at a price) by the test centre?

No. They only do testing.

You can indeed do both tests on your own A2 bike or a borrowed one. Not many people do so, but it is possible and gets you 10,000 Man Points.

DSA Derek will likely ask you how you got the bike to the test centre legally, so have an answer to hand.

You don't strictly need insurance for mod 1, as the test is (mostly) performed in an area to which the public don't enjoy a general right of access.

For mod 2, you're asked to sign a form verifying that you have insurance. The bike should definitely be on the MID, and really, I wouldn't ride without 3rd party cover.

Bikesure and possibly other insurers will cover you on a bigger bike on your provisionaL entitlement, so it is possible to buy one, insure it, then get it to the centre with a trailer / van / mate with a license and other bike cover.
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 04 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

suburban myth wrote:
Good luck riding a 125 for the rest of your life.


Sorry bout the harsh reply - just came in from my night shift when I laid this one down. I always just assume that everyone's as old (and therefore as miserable) as me

Back to the point in hand - If you're 17/18 it's a fair idea as it gets your license ticking on the 2 year probation (if it's your first license) as well as being a permanent CBT which will last until you're 24 and can get a 'proper' license to ride what you want.

As for other peoples' suggestions for getting some training surely there's no harm in it. Just ask your local training school for an hour or two of their time. 2 hours of lessons will probably come in at £60 or maybe less on your own steed. A Mod 2 test will be more than that on its own. Better to take the extra training and hopefully pass first time surely?
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 04 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I rode a 125 basically every day for a couple of months and still failed my Mod 2 (A2 license) the first time on a bigger bike.

Definitely have a couple of hours, even just to get used to a bigger bike, it is a lot different. As for faults, on my first test I failed for having the front wheel of my bike go over the stop line into the box for cyclists to sit in at traffic lights.

I got zero faults on my second attempt and all I would say is ride with confidence, as other have said try and make progress as examiners love to see a fast and progressive rider, they don't want to see you pissing about at 30 mph in a 60 zone.
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