Doncaster council video of them crushing bikes

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https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-news/council-releases-video-of-seized-motorcycles-being-crushed/24218.html

A VIDEO of seized bikes being crushed has been released as a warning against buying young people motorcycles for Christmas.

Doncaster Council says around 50 motorcycles are seized a year and the number spikes after Christmas.

The reason is often because the bikes are being ridden illegally on public footpaths or through fields, according to the council.

The video shows 12 bikes being destroyed on behalf of the council and South Yorkshire Police.

The council said: 'Every year Christmas time sees a spike in the number of bikes seized.

'Often it is because motorbikes are given as presents to young people who think they can be ridden on the tracks, byways, parklands, and school fields. But this is illegal and is often a big cause of anti-social behaviour.

'With Christmas just around the corner, the Council wants to urge people only to use them at the purpose built tracks where all the health and safety structures and processes are in place.'

Councillor Joe Blackham, Doncaster Council’s Cabinet Member for Enforcement, said: “We are not against people riding motorbikes as long as it is safely and of no nuisance to others.

“Clearly, riding the bikes along public footpaths and the like is illegal. For this reason, Doncaster Council and South Yorkshire Police do have the powers to permanently seize bikes – around 50 are seized each year - and take action if bikes are being ridden illegally. But, we want to try and prevent it getting to this stage and encourage users to ride them on purpose built tracks.”

Hope none of these are stolen

[James83]

Do I care that kids are pootling about on these things? No. Do I wish that councils would spend our money on more pressing concerns? Yes.

Am I surprised that they are going after the easy wins? Never.

[johnsmith222]

Hope they're not crushing the supra.

[chris-red]

[James83]

[CaNsA]

Would it not be wiser/cheaper/easier to donate the bikes to local colleges and motorcycle training schools?

Or am I just talking complete and utter bollocks?

[angryjonny]

That would make them seem like nice guys, when they really want to be seen as ruthless overlords who'll destroy your stuff if you cross them. It's marketing.

[G]

[Robby]

The bikes are usually pit bikes and the like, so no use to training schools.

They quite likely originally belonged to the people that went to local schools or colleges, or their siblings. That will just lead to young Jimmy nicking his brother's bike back from the school.

Crushing them is the policy. Same for local councils that recover long-term abandoned vehicles.

I had conversation with my local council (Lewisham) about the same thing a while back, when a bike had been abandoned behind my block for about a year. I asked if there was any way I could take ownership of it. No chance. I asked if the bike would at least be properly recycled (broken for parts). No chance. I asked if any part of the bike would be recycled, leaving out things like the frame. No chance. Crushing was the only thing they would do.

One of the less green policies.

[Wonko The Sane]

[misscrabstick]

Mostly this country's councils do nothing to provide these kids with somewhere to ride where they won't cause a nuisance.

It is too much of a liability and insurance nightmare for them to do so, (or so they say).

Kids who have parents with money can get into motocross and trials etc with all the bikes, gear, trailers etc needed, which was how I started off along with my brother.

Kids from depressed areas who want to ride bikes before the legal riding age are screwed really, no where to ride without hassle and problems. It is also these same kids stealing scooters, pit bikes and trailies.

What's the answer? I don't know.

[CaNsA]

[G]

Seeing that it's mostly kids likely to be found doing such, her post seems reasonable to me - and yes, I quite agree wit a distaste for people that insist you most "do it legally in an appropriate location", but often actively prohibit such places from opening.

There are places around of varying levels of seriousness, but they usually range from 20 minutes to an hour away from places I've been.

[misscrabstick]

Oh fuck I said kids 4 times, 54 kittens are now dead and baby Jesus is sobbing in the manger, kill me now.

[andym]

Maybe I just watched a different video, but it said about parts being removed.... to me it looked like just a lot of frames and forks. What are they doing with the fairings, engines, wheels etc?

This one looks more like complete bikes being crushed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9I_7TFEC6w
or more of the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9I_7TFEC6w

[Teflon-Mike]

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[-Matt-]

[27cows]

Fucking scum. No one with any vestige of humanity could do that to perfectly good bikes.

Now, if someone suggested crushing every Audi and BMW on the road, with the drivers still in the passenger seat - fine. Pass me the big lever.
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[Polarbear]

We have our fair share of them in MK. There is a scrambling track/school but it's way out of the price of most kids around here.

I don't know the answer as while I do feel sorry for these kids at times, they are mostly rude yobs who don't give a toss about anyone else.
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[Wonko The Sane]

I remember working at a watersports park being a bit cheesed off at the council bringing the disruptive and suspended kids down to learn to sail or canoe.

If I'd known I'd have miss-behaved more at school was my reaction!
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[TheSmiler]

Wouldn't it be best to just split it and sell the parts/bikes make some money form the vehicles that they would crush. They could even sell to scrap yards.

Just think of ways to innovate and make money instead of spending it all the time. Just make sure that when it's sold it's got no warranty and no liability is taken.
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[G]

Problem is that if they start selling them: a) the same sort of people will just buy them cheap and do the same thing b) people will claim they are just stealing off kids to make profit c) won't someone please think about the kittens?

[Teflon-Mike]

Has any-one actually watched the vid?
IF you watch it... it's err... rather a long way from the best traditions of British Film Making... Yorks Police must have REALLY pushed the boat out on the production costs... looks like it was shot by a 14 year-old with a smart-phone and edited, with caption-boards on the same thing!

Says at the beginning, that before being crushed 'important parts' are removed... and you see that what gets picked up by the crane is a grab load of rolling chassis, stripped of plastics... 'camera' then pans past the Partshog advertising banner, as they drop them in the crusher, and then shows the cube that comes out, which another title card tells you is to go for 're-cycling'.

Used to know chap that had our local council vehicle disposal contract; and whatever the council policy may be about "crushing"... putting contract out to tender to commercial recovery company, what might ultimately get 'Crushed', is not down to them but the recovery company.

One-Man and a wrecker that goes out to collect the actual vehicle, is chap responsible for 'disposal', and presumed he'll get his profit from selling the dead-weight to metal recovery where it 'may' get crushed. But even cars, I'm lead to believe, they don't slap them straight in the crusher; they get better prices for the cubes if they pre-screen them as 'ferrous' or 'aluminium' rather than mixed metal, and the less plastic that's in them.

Bikes, particularly little bikes, the dead-weight is so low, a lot of recoverers hate going to get them; as there's no profit in them.

Chap I knew that used to do it, did like them; though, and most ended up in his back-garden, and he would strip them down, quite diligently, and all that would make the crusher would be the frame, with the VIN Number on, usually in a car heading to the crusher to make up the dead weight. Rest would end up on e-bay.

According to him, soon as the council slapped a 'disposal-notice' on a vehicle, it became a CAT A write off; and he had to complete the paper-work for the council to get his fee, to say that vehicle HAD been permenantly scrapped; the council notifying DVLC who deleted registration.

He was usually given an actual Registration Number for a 'job' so he would be sent to remove & dispose of say a Blue Ford Escort Reg "G789ABC" at a specified location; but often he'd get just a partial index or none at all, and was expected to find the VIN number and return that with his job card so that details could be sent to DVLC... but so many stolen and abandoned bikes have their VIN Numbers ground off don't they

He gave his eldest lad a Cagiva Mito in apple crates for his 16th birthday to rebuild for when he was 17. AFAIK that was a bike he'd recovered; the council collection job card 'cleared' completed as no VIN number found; then 'cleared' through stolen-vehicle system, the 'frame' that he had bought for his 'storage charges' from the insurance company that technically owned it; so it could be returned to road, with clear title.

But that is where its the local council issuing disposal notice. Police, may or may not employ the same or similar scheme. Round here local plod don't use the same people as the council. Plod contractors get more money for recovering vehicles for the plod, and as they are often stolen, rather than merely abandoned scrappers, they can be even more lucrative to deal with, as they can charge the insurance company for recovery and storage. But, they have to go through the Stolen-Recovered process, and the vehicle isn't instantly deemed a Cat A write off, as it is if the council have issued a Disposal Notice. Legal Owner has to be traced, and the vehicle assessed, and disposal decided upon, and down to the owner, who may be the insurer whether it gets Catted and crushed or Catted and bunged through salvage auction.

Vehicles that the police seize, or are seized on their instruction, would more likely go through that process; and its more likely that they would NOT go straight to crusher; especially if there is question whether the vehicle may be stolen.

Taking a stripped down CG125 of a couple of kids on the local waste-ground, doesn't mean that its thier bike.... so even though they might have seized it as untaxed, uninsured and causing a nuisance, they are still, technically, obliged to 'investigate' the crime they are persuing, which would include checking the bike's ownership, and returning to legal owner if its NOT the property of who-ever they took it off.

Some forces, have made other media releases showing such bikes they have gathered up and stored, as part of 'ongoing investigations', that they have actually tried to return to legal owners, and have ultimately sold off through Salvage Auction.

But as G Says, 'Field-Bikes' they take off kids down'cut? If they sell-em off, just as likely to end up back down there!

In fact, twenty years ago; I bought a Suzuki TS50 through salvage, for my cousin when he was 15 and wanted a ped for his 16th. He's in his mid 30's now... he still has it! curiousely, he never did get it on the road; however; he was all exited by it; found it at the scrap yard his mum went to, to get the cars her fella fucked up fixed?!?!?!? Anyhow his mum, asked me to help 'check it out for him'. Looked at it; took the VIN number off it, went down plod-shop, and asked them to check the ident, make sure it wasn't stolen... they WOULD do that back then! Anyway, Desk Sergent came back, with a wry smile, apparently the thing was "Well known" to them, and had been through their system a couple of times, getting taken off different yoofs on Kersli-eep, (Not sure if that was reference to the Spoil-mountain, or the village next to it ) more than once, sold back through the scrapper, only to be taken off who-ever had bought it... "Now, you'll not be takin it up 'eep, will y'lad?" He'd asked my terrified teenage cousin! "We'll only be taking it back off you!" he'd said sternly!
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[hmmmnz]

this is one of my my bug bears about the uk,
every piece of bloody land is owned by someone, so the kids litereally have no where to go to ride there bikes, so are kind of forced into "anti-social" behavior,
if i had grown up here i would been in so much trouble as a kid,

i remember getting up on saturdays, jumping on the old ag and heading out to the forest, ok we had to do some dodgy riding on the road and through alleys, but there was no harm done, occasionally you'd get pulled over by the police and they would make you push the bike,

point is if i wanted to go for ride, i could, and it was easily accessible owned by no one and i didnt have to rely on my parents to ship the bike to a place where i could ride.

none of this is your guys fault, the country is just too old and every body has bought every bit of land available,


tl:dr too many people live in britian move to a less inhabited country
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