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Rob1970
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 13 Dec 2013    Post subject: Non o-Ring chain better choice for 33bhp restriction? Reply with quote

I have a restricted CBF600
No I'm not going to lose the washers till my time is up


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I have heard that non o-ring chains are more efficient due to less friction = a little bit more grunt on my restricted bike yes?

I know they wear quicker but I'm no longer commuting (made redundent boo!) so don't use the bike nearly as much

Plus they are cheaper (wemoto lists a standard chain and sprockets at £58)
Plus they come with a clip link so no need for a tool that I don't have.

Remember this is not a 150hp sports bike so what do you guys reckon?
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 13 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I'd run whatever on that, X, O... neither will make any difference with regards to the actual bike.
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 13 Dec 2013    Post subject: Re: Non o-Ring chain better choice for 33bhp restriction? Reply with quote

A colour matched 'racing' (sic) chain will do you more good, I reckon Smile.

No really; the biggest difference I reckon will be psychological, so might as well do it properly with some bling!

If you want more power but not all of it, grind the washers out very slightly.

You could always give someone a fat blob of money to do it Smile.

Do you actually need a new chain now?
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 13 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't skimp on a chain. The issue isn't with the amount of power your bike makes - my turbo bike has a non o-ring chain - the problem is keeping the lube within the pins and rollers. Any small reduction in losses from not having o-rings will quickly be off-set by looses from vastly accelerated wear.
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 13 Dec 2013    Post subject: Re: Non o-Ring chain better choice for 33bhp restriction? Reply with quote

Rob1970 wrote:

I have heard that non o-ring chains are more efficient due to less friction = a little bit more grunt on my restricted bike yes?


If the popo dyno it to measure the power then the reading will be at the rear wheel. The power losses clawed back from running that chain could tip you over the edge. Is it worth it?
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 13 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are over thinking it - get the best chain you can afford - buy cheap and it will be shit. I've learnt from past experience sadly.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 13 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My restricted GS500 munched its way through an RK chain with no O or X rings in <3000 miles. It required frequent adjustment too because it wore so quickly. It didn't help that I didn't clean/lube it frequently enough.

With a good quality DID, my XJ600 chain hasn't required adjusting at all over the course of 3000 miles. It's still in top condition.

Get the best chain you can afford. You're probably looking around £100 for a good chain and sprockets set. You'll likely not need to change them again in the time that you own the bike, if you clean and lube it properly!
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 13 Dec 2013    Post subject: Re: Non o-Ring chain better choice for 33bhp restriction? Reply with quote

Rob1970 wrote:
No I'm not going to lose the washers till my time is up

They fall out quite easily. Smile
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 13 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect the difference is tiny between sealed and unsealed chains.

DID NZ plain chain is the best bet if you want a o-ringless chain. The main disadvantage is they require frequent cleaning to get any miles out of them as shit can get into the links easily.

plain chains do benefit from a chain oiler, if fitted.
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 13 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Good non O ring chain in good condition is a bit more efficient at transmitting power than an O ring chain. But doubt you could notice the difference, And it will wear more quickly and so its efficiency will drop off more rapidly

All the best

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PostPosted: 20:44 - 13 Dec 2013    Post subject: Re: Non o-Ring chain better choice for 33bhp restriction? Reply with quote

The other Paul Rudd wrote:


If the popo dyno it to measure the power then the reading will be at the rear wheel. The power losses clawed back from running that chain could tip you over the edge. Is it worth it?


It's a chain, it's not a "performance mod", it won't make even 1bhp difference.

In fact you'd probably gain more powahhhh on the dyno by running it really loose than you would from swapping to a non O ring chain.
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 13 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
My restricted GS500 munched its way through an RK chain with no O or X rings in <3000 miles. It required frequent adjustment too because it wore so quickly. It didn't help that I didn't clean/lube it frequently enough.

With a good quality DID, my XJ600 chain hasn't required adjusting at all over the course of 3000 miles. It's still in top condition.

Get the best chain you can afford. You're probably looking around £100 for a good chain and sprockets set. You'll likely not need to change them again in the time that you own the bike, if you clean and lube it properly!


the problem with the gs5 is the fact that it is a twin and the engine pulses cause more chain wear than the smooth power deliver of a 4. My gs did about 5000 miles to a well maintained d.i.d x ring, the bandit did nearly 17000 miles over the course of 2.5 years
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 13 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely it depends on how you deliver said power to rear wheel?
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PostPosted: 02:07 - 14 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Surely it depends on how you deliver said power to rear wheel?


that's what i am trying to say, the smoother power of the 4 cylinder allows for better chain life than twins regardless of power and chain type
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