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don't ride like a muppet = no reason to be pulled and checked.
You can't tell the difference between my ZZR 600 and the one I was next to at a set of lights the other night, except he can out accelerate me since I've got my restrictors fitted.
However, that could look like I'm just a bit more steady away than the other rider.
There are many people who have a restrictor kit decorating their dining table - not legal, but up to them
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Posted: 22:06 - 01 Dec 2013  Post subject: Re: A flaw in A2 License? |
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| BennyC wrote: | Hi.
I was told today that if I imported a 25kW registed GSXR 600 from germany for example I would be allowed to ride it in UK on my A2 License?
Anyone know anything about this? |
A2 licence requirements stipulate 25Kw max power and 0.2Kw per Kg max power to weight; with proviso that a machine may be restricted from one that 'as standard' produces more than 25Kw, as long as meeting the 0.2Kw per Kg power to weight limit, the 'restricted' power is no less than half the manufacturers 'quoted' spec.
Its your responsibility, and yours alone, to ensure that any machine you ride on A2 entitlement is within the entitlement; same as its your responsibility to ensure that you have valid insurance, tax, minimum tread depth and that the machine is suitably road-worthy.
I have no idea whether Suzuki sell an A2 eligible 25Kw GSXR600 in durestictions outside the UK...
BUT assuming that they do; and that it is a genuine Suzuki Catalogue model variant; that you can obtain Genuine Suzuki Importer Brochure for; and certificate of conformity / Sales receipt to that brochure spec.....
Then you could get such model 'grey' imported to the UK... that would be pretty conclusive 'evidence' that the machine WAS at point of sale A2 eligible, and could be ridden on A2 licence entitlement.
However; UK GSXR600's aren't A2 eligible or A2 restrictable. (For the most part; I think that some very early models may 'just' fall in limits of restrictability, by some reported specs)
Not listed as A2 or Eligible or A2 Restrictable... your first fight will be with your insurer to agree that YOUR Grey Imported other-market variant is actually eligible... and of course in so doing, you are going to have to declare its a Grey Import, NOT the UK catalogue model.
This is going to limit insurers who will offer you a policy; to those that can wrap thier head round greys; as well as like as not get you lots of effoff we really dont want your smart arse bike on our-books quotes....
Get past that; and you then have clued or less clued plod, to whome it is a bike you shouldn't be riding, you have to convince to the contrary... better carry them German Suzuki brochures with you... and be ready for deturmined assault on your defence... and making apointment for Dyno & Inspection... as they'd be even more deturmined to catch out the smart arse than if you were on a full-power tea-pot waving a verified Paddy-Cert about in wax crayon!
'Cos it still comes down to what the bike IS at the time you are riding it (or its inspected) NOT what the paperwork shows!
Lot of hassle, and making life hard for yourself, with caveot that if you wanna be that out-cleva, it had better be 101% legit and genuinely 25Kw.....
When you could have so many other bikes that dont raise so many questions, and don't demand so many hoops, that have just as much genuine 25Kw performance, or if you want to run at risk, be over the odds with a lot less arse-ache.
But, hinges on whether non-UK machine is genuine Manufacturer Model Variant, or whether its some local importer post-manufacture modification.
A2 licence laws as stipulated by EU 3rd Directive have to be enacted by each member state individually. Notionally they are all the the same but they aren't always!
We have exception to 3rd directive in maintaining unspupervised L-Plating on A1-125; could be that Germany or France or wherever has loop-hole in thier legislation wording that doesn't stipulate the 'manufacturers declared power' but says something like "The Power when first registered and declared 'new' at first use' or something; meaning that a dealer could take stock off the shelf machine, add restriction, and provided they declare it prior to first use; In THAT region, be deemed A2 eligible.
Which is probably what you want definative answer on, where I am speculating... BUT... whole lot of hassle to little purpose, I think, personally.
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| Posted: 22:06 - 01 Dec 2013 Post subject: |
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I went my full two years, and had three bikes over that time, none of which were restricted, and all of which had over 33hp, never had any issues at all.
Guess I'm just really fucking cool.
I would really not even consider going to the effort of importing a bike, just either ride one unrestricted, or be a pussy. 
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It's very easy to say online oh I didn't bother with restriction. Which I didn't.
A good friend had a big crash and the police took his bike apart to look for restrictors. There is/was a mobile dyno van around the SE a few years ago. It does happen. Theres a thread on an SV forum and one on a Fazer forum about it.
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Just out of my curiosity, what happens, if you've got an old bike, let's say 20 yrs old with vehicle registration that says it's got 25kw. Would they even care if it's actually restricted or they just won't because the bike is not in some sort of database, so they don't know how many ponies should the bike have? Paper is paper. 
Well, the portable dyno would be a bad luck, though. 
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| Posted: 10:32 - 02 Dec 2013 Post subject: Re: A flaw in A2 License? |
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| BennyC wrote: | I was told today |
By whom?
| BennyC wrote: | that if I imported a 25kW registed GSXR 600 |
Registered? In the UK, we don't generally re-register bikes when they're restricted. Maybe we should, but we don't.
| BennyC wrote: | I would be allowed to ride it in UK on my A2 License? |
No, you cannot ride a GSXR 600 on an A2 license.
That presumes that you have a 35kW A2 license obtained on or after 19th January 2013 on a 395cc+ bike making between 25-35kW, e.g. a GS500.
If you have that, then the bike that you're riding can't have claimed to have made over 70kW net engine power as stock. All GSXR 600s were over 70kW, and no, MCN is not a definitive source for refuting that. They're apparently going by a Wikipedia article that cites and clearly labels power as rear wheel power, which is not what matters.
If you obtained a license on or before January 18th 2013 on a 125cc bike then you do not have an A2 license. You have an A license with a 2 year restriction to 25kW and 0.16kW/kg.
If that's what you have, then there's no maximum power or limit on what you can ride as long as it's currently making no more than 25kW (bench bullshit "net power" figure, which can only really be estimated on a dyno). Go ahead and ride a Gixxer or a Hayabusa for that matter.
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| Posted: 13:24 - 02 Dec 2013 Post subject: |
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| RhynoCZ wrote: | Just out of my curiosity, what happens, if you've got an old bike, let's say 20 yrs old with vehicle registration that says it's got 25kw. Would they even care if it's actually restricted or they just won't because the bike is not in some sort of database, so they don't know how many ponies should the bike have? Paper is paper.
Well, the portable dyno would be a bad luck, though. |
UK Authorities go by Manufacturers Brochure claims, there's actually nothing on our registration docs to indicate power or licence catagory... they are pretty basic; Make, Model, Colour, Engine displacement, Chassis Number, Engine Number and thats about it.
The DSA have issued some lists of A1 and A2 eligible bikes; which is basically what insurers and plod will look at as first call; but they are published 'For Guidance Only' and have caveot that they are not 'definative'... and by the looks of it, they either got some unemployable beurocrat or Work-Placement student, to go through the Used Bike Buyers Guide with a pocket calculator and decide if they were eligible or not! And I suspect he was told to just skip the ones where the magazine didn't provide either power or weight for his sums!
Roger has linked it a couple of times; but CBA to find it, but from memory, its pretty 'Random' and as for listing old bikes? They have actually got a Vincent Black-Shaddow on the damn thing... but they dont have more obscure modern bikes!
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| Posted: 16:49 - 02 Dec 2013 Post subject: |
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Oh, FFS.
| On 16th February 2013, 'BennyC' wrote: | I'm 17 [and don't have a license] |
So.
Missed the 3DLD cut-off to get an old 25kW "A2" license.
Can't have a new A2 35kW license yet.
Is either a serial fantasist seat-sniffer, or... oh, is quite likely Illuminate The Mind.
Bah, I fed one. 
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