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capone01
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Android GPS tracker Reply with quote

Hello,

I have created a GPS tracker using an old Android Phone. Now I want to connect to phone to the battery of my bike so it will stay 100% charged at all times.
My question is, howlong will my battery hold without riding? Will the phone drain my battery in 2 days beeing idle or will it be weeks?
I have a Kawa Z750.
Anyone has some tips regarding this?

Thanks
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone will find the phone and remove it long before you know its stolen... but if you were using the battery > usb charging, wouldn't expect more than a day or 2, I've charged stuff on my R1 for around 8 hours and the battery voltage went from 13.1 to 12.2.
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

your tracker is garbage as once its in a garage or underground or in a shipping container it will most likely not work and can easily be blocked

either spend the money on an almax or protector chain or get a proper tracker from www.tracker.co.uk
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just mesured the phones usage... it's 0.015A, the battery is 8A/hour, this means I theoreticly have more then 14days of charging without draining the battery to 0.

I can assure you the cellphone GPS works just as good as a 'professional' overpriced tracker. And if I manage to hide it well enough, nobody will find it.

Where I live, stolen vehicles go to Poland, France, Eastern Europe coutnries, rarely overseas. This means it will probably be shipped in a Truck which will be easily located with a GPS cellphone.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it just a phone? Or did you take it out of it's casing and try hide it somewhere out of sight?

I would imagine the first thing these people do is look for a tracker or alarm connected to the battery and disconnect it, then it's a case of tracing the wire back to the phone and it's out and done with.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure Woo will be along to set you straight but the proper trackers don't just use GPS, they use another band VHF? as well which still works if the bike is in a garage or lock up which it most likely will be.
The phone thing is probably all right if it's chavs taking it for a joyride but with a professional thief it will be useless.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot will depend upon how often you are updating the position. Keeping the GPS active and a data connection live will chew through the battery quite quickly, whilst putting everything into sleep mode and only waking up if, for example, an activation SMS is received will keep the battery usage much lower. With a 1600mAH 16.8V LiPo pack I've kept a Samsung S3 and Garmin 705 alive for about ten days (using the Garmin for navigation, with backlight at night, a few SMSes and a few minutes talk per day on the S3).

If doing that, I'd be tempted to make sure that the charger circuit for the phone has a low voltage cut-out, so it will let the phone die rather than completely flatten your bike battery.

As an aside, does anyone use a good Android tracker app? Years ago I used to use Copilot Live on my Windows Mobile handset. That had a really good feature where you could enter someone's email address, and it would send them a link to a website where they could find your position (and, optionally, having been granted the right permissions, send you messages or add/change destinations to your itinerary). The really good part of that was that you could time-limit their access - so I could say to a friend that I'd be expecting to arrive in (say) four hours, but if they check that site they'll see how I'm doing without me having to call them, and without me giving them the ability to see where I am forevermore.

Copilot on Android doesn't seem to support that, and I've not found anything else that does.
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

bamt wrote:
A lot will depend upon how often you are updating the position. Keeping the GPS active and a data connection live will chew through the battery quite quickly, whilst putting everything into sleep mode and only waking up if, for example, an activation SMS is received will keep the battery usage much lower. With a 1600mAH 16.8V LiPo pack I've kept a Samsung S3 and Garmin 705 alive for about ten days (using the Garmin for navigation, with backlight at night, a few SMSes and a few minutes talk per day on the S3).

If doing that, I'd be tempted to make sure that the charger circuit for the phone has a low voltage cut-out, so it will let the phone die rather than completely flatten your bike battery.

As an aside, does anyone use a good Android tracker app? Years ago I used to use Copilot Live on my Windows Mobile handset. That had a really good feature where you could enter someone's email address, and it would send them a link to a website where they could find your position (and, optionally, having been granted the right permissions, send you messages or add/change destinations to your itinerary). The really good part of that was that you could time-limit their access - so I could say to a friend that I'd be expecting to arrive in (say) four hours, but if they check that site they'll see how I'm doing without me having to call them, and without me giving them the ability to see where I am forevermore.

Copilot on Android doesn't seem to support that, and I've not found anything else that does.


I'm using Cerberus as Android App, it has an online interface over which you can send alot of commands over the network to your android device.
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

dude when it comes to trackers you get what you pay for cheap ass shit like gps means you have a lol chance of getting ur bike back.

ive linked a proper tracker if you dont wanna do ur research on it good luck with ur gps tracker but the vhf tracker has worked as it got my mates R1 back real quick with 2 other bikes recovered as well.

overpriced good shit gives good results just my 2 cents and advice

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PostPosted: 17:22 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great idea. As a suggestion, how about a small, rechargeable, second battery?

I have a fairly cavernous underseat area and could easily fit a second, rechargeable battery, to be recharged from the ignition. This could then power the tracker unit when the engine is off without draining the main battery.

Don't know if your bike has enough space down below but this would work for me.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

A-team logic I'm afraid.

great for films but in reality and in working situations using an android phone just isn't going to cut it for many reasons.

I'd save the time, effort and frustration by just getting a dedicated tracker.

BUT....All this is probably irrelevant as, looking at the OPS joining date and the date of the post....I fear this is indeed a troll thread. Laughing and most likely ITM with his 2nd account daft threads again. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepuma wrote:
A-team logic I'm afraid.

great for films but in reality and in working situations using an android phone just isn't going to cut it for many reasons.

I'd save the time, effort and frustration by just getting a dedicated tracker.

BUT....All this is probably irrelevant as, looking at the OPS joining date and the date of the post....I fear this is indeed a troll thread. Laughing and most likely ITM with his 2nd account daft threads again. Rolling Eyes


I actually joined this forum just to ask the question "howlong will the battery last when 24/24 charging an android phone" since I actually did my own calculation +-14 Days, most of you posted irrelevant answers such as get "a real tracker".

I live in a country where professional car/bike theft is close to 0% so I'm happy with my Android GPS tracker in case of a funny guy decides to move my bike for fun.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Your calculation appears to be leaving about 1/3 of the battery capacity as spare (ie, full battery capacity at the current consumption you give is about 22 days worth). However 8ah seems quite a small battery for the Z750.

Plus point of the tracker you control yourself is that you can play around seeing the routes you have taken, etc.

All the best

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PostPosted: 18:37 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Hi

Your calculation appears to be leaving about 1/3 of the battery capacity as spare (ie, full battery capacity at the current consumption you give is about 22 days worth). However 8ah seems quite a small battery for the Z750.

Plus point of the tracker you control yourself is that you can play around seeing the routes you have taken, etc.

All the best

Keith


I have indeed left some spare capacity in my calculation... , the internet tells me I have a 8ah battery, I didn't check it myself.
But normally my bike stands still for max 5 days except when I go on a holiday... then I'll just remove the Cellphone.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

capone01 wrote:

I actually joined this forum just to ask the question "howlong will the battery last when 24/24 charging an android phone" since I actually did my own calculation +-14 Days, most of you posted irrelevant answers such as get "a real tracker"..


No your question was......

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My question is, howlong will my battery hold without riding? Will the phone drain my battery in 2 days beeing idle or will it be weeks?
I have a Kawa Z750.


Very simple to find out.
Leave you phone out connected to GPS and see how long it lasts Rolling Eyes
Or if you are planning on 24/7 to bike battery, then connect to bike battery and run test again.

If you I use my HTC one (and any other phone gps has been used on) the battery life can be counted in hours when GPS is activated and tracking and not connected to a power source to keep it topped up.

What you really need is something that will send it to sleep and only wake it up once it is being moved.
So motion detection to activate the GPS side. That will increase battery life when laid up no end.

To make it hard to find you need to tap into a live feed without any extra connections to the battery, somewhere out of sight.
On a bike you are really limited where you can hide anything like this, that will not be picked up by someone who knows what they are doing.
Bike nicked to order will see battery taken out straight away to ensure anything like this soon stops working. Then often stored in a lockup (container) which will mask any gps from working.
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Re: Android GPS tracker Reply with quote

capone01 wrote:
Hello,

I have created a GPS tracker using an old Android Phone. Now I want to connect to phone to the battery of my bike so it will stay 100% charged at all times.
My question is, howlong will my battery hold without riding? Will the phone drain my battery in 2 days beeing idle or will it be weeks?
I have a Kawa Z750.
Anyone has some tips regarding this?

Thanks


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PostPosted: 19:37 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

capone01 wrote:
when I go on a holiday... then I'll just remove the Cellphone.


So when its likely to get stolen, bad logic boss.

Just grab a 19mm chain, chain through the frame. You won't need a tracker when they see that.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not just combine one of these https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0012GMDC4/ref=aw_d_pd_electronics?qid=1388176797&sr=8-10 with one of these https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B003XDQUQE/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?qid=1388177039&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX110_SY165

More reliable than mucking around with old cell phones.
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick question if bike/car theft is next to zero where you live then why bother with a tracker why not go for a heavy duty chain like some of the guys have already said and save the hassle of running your batter dead?
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

capone01 wrote:
I live in a country where professional car/bike theft is close to 0% so I'm happy with my Android GPS tracker in case of a funny guy decides to move my bike for fun.
So no one except 'funny guys' touch bikes where you are - surely then all they do is knock the bike over or move it up the road and you can find it without the need for GPS.

If its anyone else, they are thieves - and thieves need be neither professional or clever to make a motorbike disappear - a couple of them and a van = bike gone forever.

I'm not saying your app/idea is no good, I don't know enough about tracking to comment on that - but if you're concerned at all, don't under estimate the risk to the bike. From the sounds of what woo's said - its fairly redundant if the bikes of any significant value.

Security is a much better investment in my opinion - why spend money on tracking to find a stolen bike, when you can hopefully prevent it being stolen in the first place.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

if my bike got nicked, I don't want it back thanks. Hand Penny CoinPenny Coin
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
capone01 wrote:
I live in a country where professional car/bike theft is close to 0% so I'm happy with my Android GPS tracker in case of a funny guy decides to move my bike for fun.
So no one except 'funny guys' touch bikes where you are - surely then all they do is knock the bike over or move it up the road and you can find it without the need for GPS.



OP Since you live in the Vatican you will know who takes your bike.
Ask The Man when you go to church.

I now know where you live so can I have my £5?
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

lukamon wrote:
if my bike got nicked, I don't want it back thanks. Hand Penny CoinPenny Coin


I suppose that depends whether it's been carefully put in the back of a van for selling on or ragged stupid and crashed.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 27 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
lukamon wrote:
if my bike got nicked, I don't want it back thanks. Hand Penny CoinPenny Coin


I suppose that depends whether it's been carefully put in the back of a van for selling on or ragged stupid and crashed.


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PostPosted: 02:32 - 28 Dec 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Bike nicked to order will see battery taken out straight away to ensure anything like this soon stops working. Then often stored in a lockup (container) which will mask any gps from working.


Which is why be recently been toying with the idea of woo's and contemplating getting this plus the 4 years.

I like to think my bike is well secure, it's chained, alarmed, immobilised, disc alarms, and building alarmed, with a wifi camera with instant emails of pir motions, but as its been pointed out time and time again.....if the scores want it, then there is no stopping them.
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